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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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That’s right. Even if Imran Khan had come into power with 2/3 majority, he wouldn’t be able to bring about any lasting change—because the real power on the ground is always in the hands of military establishment. Just look at KPK province for instance. PTI has 2/3 majority in parliament there but can’t do no shit without military establishment’s nod. 🙄

Don't understand why we bother with any of it then. All the public funds spent on protocols and huge assembly halls. Ajeeb Hybrid mazaaq. Just declare martial law and blow up the Parliament, construct a park there with a huge statue of Trump and Asim hugging
 
Don't understand why we bother with any of it then.
Because of "look busy, do nothing substantial" mentality of our people. Every time there is a new dictator in chief at the helm of power, people go against him until he is gone. Public at large thinks the next dictator in chief would be "better" than the former, but they are always proven wrong because at the end of the day, he is still a dictator. 🙄
 
Because of "look busy, do nothing substantial" mentality of our people. Every time there is a new dictator in chief at the helm of power, people go against him until he is gone. Public at large thinks the next dictator in chief would be "better" than the former, but they are always proven wrong because at the end of the day, he is still a dictator. 🙄
Dictators cause the most damage because they don’t care about the future of their politics. They know they’ve only got one shot at power and to cling to it, they will trample every limit, every law, every red line in their path. GHQ sending troops to Gaza or recognizing the Zionist entity is a crossing of those red lines.
 
That’s right. Even if Imran Khan had come into power with 2/3 majority, he wouldn’t be able to bring about any lasting change—because the real power on the ground is always in the hands of military establishment. Just look at KPK province for instance. PTI has 2/3 majority in parliament there but can’t do no shit without military establishment’s nod. 🙄
In that case you become the smarter individual to realize that you need greater foot mobilization and need to change the military from the inside - not pick a fight willy nilly with everyone in your sultan IK mentality.

IK own egoistic brand ideals were the end of PTi - giving both establishment and PDM openings to get him. He put his faith in the wrong horse in Faiz, he spent his time electioneering even after being given a role and was busy trying to launch his modern “Riyasat e Pakiseenta” with him has Imam without realizing he needed a lot more groundwork to make things happen.

If you saw the number of resignations of qualified people occurring due to his lack of cohesion and general incompetence of many of those he put in leadership positions then the results in 2022 would be easily predictable.

To his own foot in mouth every other pan Islamic attempt he made for his brand faltered as well - recognized Oscar win for Mahershala Ali - turn out he is Qadiyani.
Recognized price for Pakistani origin scientist - turns out she is a lesbian.

Has he spent this term doing NOTHING more than just governing, improving the economy and focusing on removing rot from institutions other than military - targeting it for clean up post gaining ground strength - he would not be in jail at this point.

If you don’t know change management, you cannot change a century old mentality in a rotten system.
 
In that case you become the smarter individual to realize that you need greater foot mobilization and need to change the military from the inside…
As if military is ever gonna "listen" to a civilian about changing itself? 🙄

IK own egoistic brand ideals were the end of PTi - giving both establishment and PDM openings to get him. He put his faith in the wrong horse in Faiz
As if Faiz "wasn’t" a part of the same military establishment that went after Imran after allying itself with PDM…

Has he spent this term doing NOTHING more than just governing, improving the economy and focusing on removing rot from institutions other than military - targeting it for clean up post gaining ground strength - he would not be in jail at this point.
When pigs fly. Military establishment doesn’t really care about any of that. All they need is loyal bootlickers like PDM who are just fine with anything they’re asked to do…

If you don’t know change management, you cannot change a century old mentality in a rotten system.
Lol. There is NO such thing as "change management". All revolutions in history were chaotic in nature and only later transformed into manageable countries.
 
As if military is ever gonna "listen" to a civilian about changing itself? 🙄


As if Faiz "wasn’t" a part of the same military establishment that went after Imran after allying itself with PDM…


When pigs fly. Military establishment doesn’t really care about any of that. All they need is loyal bootlickers like PDM who are just fine with anything they’re asked to do…


Lol. There is NO such thing as "change management". All revolutions in history were chaotic in nature and only later transformed into manageable countries.
You are making my point and show your lack of understanding of change management.

Other than your victim mentality demonization (which ironically the establishment does as well in its own context) you have added nothing to actually defend what IK did wrong and sheepishly made the statement that all revolutions are chaotic.

Let me disassemble that into tiny pieces.

The idea that "there is no such thing as change management" simply because political revolutions in the last 150 years have started off chaotic and only later become manageable is a serious misunderstanding of both history and the nature of political change.

Revolutions are highly complex processes, and while they seemingly often begin with disorder and upheaval(fruit vendor sets himself on fire in Tunisia), that initial chaos is just one phase in a much broader, managed transition that involves strategy, leadership, and organizational effort at every step.

Want proof from history instead of your "I said it so must be true"? Why not

Russia 1917:
Sure, it was a tumultuous and violent upheaval, but it was far from being purely spontaneous chaos. The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin, had years of preparation, strategic planning, ideological grounding, and organized political structures before the revolution even started. Their success was in no small part due to their ability to manage the transition from the collapsing Tsarist regime to a new Soviet government. They established new institutions, policies, and governance mechanisms systematically, demonstrating clear elements of change management amidst the disorder. But maybe that is not enough proof for people who never studied change management.

Here is another one -
The Chinese Communist Revolution, which peaked in 1949, was not just a series of random uprisings but rather a protracted campaign involving careful coordination between the Communist Party, its military wing, and support from the masses. Even during the most chaotic moments, leadership focused on strategic goals, propaganda, and institutional change to create a new government aligned with their vision.

Even the South African transition from apartheid in the 80s-90s is a textbook case of deliberate, managed political change through negotiation and compromise rather than violent overthrow alone. Leadership on both sides engaged in complex dialogues, legal reforms, and incremental shifts that steered a peaceful transition to democracy. This was change management in action, proving that revolutions or broad political changes need not always be messy or uncontrollable.

Now, to your lord and might IK - the spoilt child of Bajwa and Faiz - or was he.
Back in 2013 I sat across Dr Alvi and two other PMs/Programmers as he described his plan for an electoral system where they could monitor events, impact of ads and social media along with being able to get real time notifications or summaries so "Khan Sb" can plan the next move in Tabdeeli. Coordinating with the military, who themselves helped in change planning by highlighting which media to plant things in - to creating a student arm to coordinate things. All plans to create "tabdeeli" - urf CHANGE - plan for Tabdeeli- Change management.

And we have claims of "Change management" is not real. Bhai Parh le tu fuzool Pharien nahin maray ga.
 
You may have deleted my post , However social media is free

Learn to cope with what will come next just like how Pakistani citizen have coped for past 2 years

Fauj can't protect Makkah and Madina when it's own home turf is lost

DHA plot bano , aur mineral beecho

Aek aur shopping mall khol lo

Ye Makkah , Madina protection tumhare bas ki baat nahi
 
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You may have deleted my post , However social media is free

Learn to cope with what will come next just like how Pakistani citizen have coped for past 2 years

Fauj can't protect Makkah and Madina when it's own home turf is lost

DHA plot bano , aur mineral beecho

Aek aur shopping mall khol lo

Ye Makkah , Madina protection tumhare bas ki baat nahi
Bring in religion again and you will be banned from this thread.
I Bash the military more than you drink Chai in one day. But unlike you both Fauj and IK are human beings with severe flaws - please dont declare him a Nabi and yourself a Kazaab.
 
What is your fear about Religious angle to the present conflict happening in Pakistan between Civilians and Army ?

Why is the Army automatically granted immunity status , from all crime ?

Army can bomb anyone - that is ok
Army can kidnap anyoe - that is ok
Army can minupulate Parliment for no confidence - that is ok

Who made this rule that all moral authority does not applies to Army

Are they Angels ? No Army is mere Humans and I have right to question their actions

I am Muslim
Obviously Muslim state Pakistan

If I see a Man who is walking the path right of course I will associate him to past historical human figures in Islamic faith

Hussain was no a Nabi he was grand son of Prophet , not a Prophet himself


Associating Imran Khan's struggle with Hussain is just comparing one human with other ,does not makes him Prophet
 
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What is your fear about Religious angle to the present conflict happening in Pakistan between Civilians and Army ?

Why is the Army automatically granted immunity status , from all crime ?
Also, please do not try to convince yourself of some victim status here and waste my time on Gaslighting comments.
You have been warned, next time I will ban.
No questions or clarifications.
Diss the military, put a IK tattoo on your chest I dont give a hoot.
But do not put religious iconography especially the king of martyrs into this.
 
Well if we had option to hold weapons I am sure no one would want to be called a victim

But since Elections were rigged and a Legitimate Leader of Nation has been imprisoned I think we have a strong case to follow up

Don't be fooled that the fasad of Courts will protect the corrupt
 
Thread should be changed to

"Army , is denying Citizen of Pakistan to attain power in Pakistan since 1950's"


Should be more appropriate , Imran Khan is merely a representative of People


And Stop posting your Ugly Mugs on walls and bridges have dignity and earn that respect

If people loved you we would respect you with out your ugly mug on the walls and bridges


No one in Amreeka post their Mug on walls from Army , even politicians don't post their Mug , keeps city clean

I have never seen a Military person's face on Western Cities walls that is how it should be , if your actions are good people will respect you
 
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Why would USA need to be suing anybody about a wannabe-dictator-ul-momineen demagogue from a third world country lying to stay in power? He lied. He failed. He jailed. End of story from the US perspective.

And since that sorry debacle, Pakistan has achieved significant progress in mending relations with USA that IK so selfishly tried to destroy.

That is what really matters, actually.
regime fan girls think bowing down giving up everything is mending relationships!

gg
 
Bring in religion again and you will be banned from this thread.
I Bash the military more than you drink Chai in one day. But unlike you both Fauj and IK are human beings with severe flaws - please dont declare him a Nabi and yourself a Kazaab.
can we get out of this IK obsession...fine IK is full of flaws fine he made mistakes but is the current fight with Pakistans occupiers about IK getting his arse back on throne or is it about the future of Pakistan which is the people and their childeren...i respect IK for his sacrifice i also accept IK a man full of flaws but i respect him for what he has done for this nation but awakening the nation the showing the nation that the uniformed gods you worshipped for 77 years are not gods but mere theives ganti chors who work for evil imperial king!! for this clear awakening of the nation i resoect him!! now its upto the people to fix this shit show and not IK! like everyone IK will die one day but Pakistan has to decide if they constinue to bow down to slaves of empire or they want to decide their own fate! its simple!
 
Now, to your lord and might IK - the spoilt child of Bajwa and Faiz - or was he.
Back in 2013 I sat across Dr Alvi and two other PMs/Programmers as he described his plan for an electoral system where they could monitor events, impact of ads and social media along with being able to get real time notifications or summaries so "Khan Sb" can plan the next move in Tabdeeli. Coordinating with the military, who themselves helped in change planning by highlighting which media to plant things in - to creating a student arm to coordinate things. All plans to create "tabdeeli" - urf CHANGE - plan for Tabdeeli- Change management.
Imran Khan’s slogan of "Tabdeeli" was all about bringing lasting change or reforms after overthrow of the old guard. That overthrow never materialized on the ground because the military establishment once again sided with the old guard (PDM) and used their loyalty to imprison the new guard instead; Imran Khan himself. 🙄
 
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