PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[SaadH]

Mav3rick​

It is not just about the Missile(s) but the SPECTRA suite on Rafale which sets the French jets apart from most competition. With SPECTRA, the Jets virtually become stealth and do not appear on enemy sensors.

This hasn't aged well

 

[Indos]

The discount wasn't enough of a commission ? Just see how much they are paying for J-10C and then remember how much you paid.

What ? 1.6 billion USD

More likely free 42 planes with upgrade to C variant (1.6 billion USD)

Dont listen to most media that dont do cross check and mostly just do parroting journalism

 

[Indos]

What ? 1.6 billion USD

More likely free 42 planes with upgrade to C variant (1.6 billion USD)

Dont listen to most media that dont do cross check and mostly just do parroting journalism

Indonesia seeks foreign loans for J-10 fighters, naval systems​

By Ridzwan Rahmat | 16 October 2025

Indonesia's Ministry of Finance (MoF) has approved a plan to finance the acquisition of three major defense systems from China through foreign loans, and Jakarta has begun actively seeking lenders to support the initiative.

The three systems are the J-10B multirole fighter aircraft, the Houbei (Type 22) fast attack craft, and an export variant of China's YJ-12 ramjet-powered coastal anti-ship missile known as the CM-302.

Documents that have been provided to Janes , including a letter from Indonesia's MoF to its Ministry of Defense (MoD), by a source close to the matter indicate that a total loan quantum of USD3.1billion has been approved specifically for these three programmes.

For the tranche to procure the J-10B fighter aircraft, the MoD has been cleared to source up to USD1.6 billion in foreign loans and the funds can be provided by either foreign export credit agencies, bilateral creditors, or private lending institutions.

Janes understands that Indonesia is planning to procure second-hand J-10B airframes that have been in service with China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) for this programme.

For the plan to procure CM-302 missiles, the MoD has been cleared to source up to USD1 billion in foreign loans and Jakarta plans to procure land-based variants of the weapon for coastal defence.

Similarly, the source of funds can be either foreign export credit agencies, bilateral creditors, or private lending institutions.

Indonesia seeks foreign loans for J-10 fighters, naval systems

Indonesia's Ministry of Finance (MoF) has approved plans for the country to fund the acquisition of three major defence systems from China via foreign loans, and Jakarta...

www.janes.com

 

[RealNapster]

What ? 1.6 billion USD

More likely free 42 planes with upgrade to C variant (1.6 billion USD)

Dont listen to most media that dont do cross check and mostly just do parroting journalism

Majorly different, old, and used plane. And I don't understand why will Indonesia buy J-10B ? China itself only operate 55 J-10B.

Bangladesh buying 20 J-10CE for $2.2 billion. That is about $110 million per J-10CE plane (including support, training and weapons). Pakistan bought 24 for $1.4 billion (including training, support, and weapons). That is some $58 million per J-10CE plane.

 

[MH.Yang]

Majorly different, old, and used plane. And I don't understand why will Indonesia buy J-10B ? China itself only operate 55 J-10B.

Bangladesh buying 20 J-10CE for $2.2 billion. That is about $110 million per J-10CE plane (including support, training and weapons). Pakistan bought 24 for $1.4 billion (including training, support, and weapons). That is some $58 million per J-10CE plane.

The J-10B uses the AL-31F engine, and the J-10C uses the WS-10 engine. Indonesia has 16 Su-27s and Su-30s, which also use the AL-31F.

The airframe of the J-10B can used until the 2040s, which can bridge the service time of the 5G fighter.

The number of J-10Bs is too small, and China has always wanted to get rid of these J-10Bs to reduce the pressure of logistics and maintenance. So these J-10Bs are going to be cheaper.

In China, there are actually 24 Su-35s being looked down by the PLAAF. Those Su-35s are deployed at Myanmar border. If someone wants to buy them, I believe China would be more than happy to. The Indonesian government could also consider these Su-35s.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The J-10B uses the AL-31F engine, and the J-10C uses the WS-10 engine. Indonesia has 16 Su-27s and Su-30s, which also use the AL-31F.

The airframe of the J-10B can used until the 2040s, which can bridge the service time of the 5G fighter.

The number of J-10Bs is too small, and China has always wanted to get rid of these J-10Bs to reduce the pressure of logistics and maintenance. So these J-10Bs are going to be cheaper.

In China, there are actually 24 Su-35s being looked down by the PLAAF. Those Su-35s are deployed at Myanmar border. If someone wants to buy them, I believe China would be more than happy to. The Indonesian government could also consider these Su-35s.

How well is su35 in comparison to J-16? i know in radar su35 is still PESA but what about other parameters? can we say that J-16 is the best by far variant of su27 currently in the world?

On topic it maybe a very stupid question but is there any chance or plan of upgrading current J-10C with WS-15 engine? or WS-15 engine is only made for 5th gen

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The J-10B uses the AL-31F engine, and the J-10C uses the WS-10 engine. Indonesia has 16 Su-27s and Su-30s, which also use the AL-31F.

The airframe of the J-10B can used until the 2040s, which can bridge the service time of the 5G fighter.

The number of J-10Bs is too small, and China has always wanted to get rid of these J-10Bs to reduce the pressure of logistics and maintenance. So these J-10Bs are going to be cheaper.

In China, there are actually 24 Su-35s being looked down by the PLAAF. Those Su-35s are deployed at Myanmar border. If someone wants to buy them, I believe China would be more than happy to. The Indonesian government could also consider these Su-35s.

You can't sell your su35 without Russian permission

 

[Hayabusa]

This hasn't aged well

This is a clear example of what happens when you are overconfident and underestimate your competition.

This lies not only between Pakistan and India, but in every aspect of our lives. I hope Pakistan will always keep it's guard up and never underestimate India's a jlktjes.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The J-10B uses the AL-31F engine, and the J-10C uses the WS-10 engine. Indonesia has 16 Su-27s and Su-30s, which also use the AL-31F.

The airframe of the J-10B can used until the 2040s, which can bridge the service time of the 5G fighter.

The number of J-10Bs is too small, and China has always wanted to get rid of these J-10Bs to reduce the pressure of logistics and maintenance. So these J-10Bs are going to be cheaper.

In China, there are actually 24 Su-35s being looked down by the PLAAF. Those Su-35s are deployed at Myanmar border. If someone wants to buy them, I believe China would be more than happy to. The Indonesian government could also consider these Su-35s.

If the Iranians had any common sense in their military procurement programmes, they would ask China for those Su-35s if China wants to sell them.

If Russia is selling them "directly" to Iran with planned deliveries, then they should not have issues with indirect sales like this given how much Iran needs them right now. Just look at how the UK approved the sale of Typhoons from Qatar, and Oman to the Türkiye.

However, only Allah knows how Iranians plan, and strategically structure their military procurement programmes, it is a complete mystery to everyone else.

 

[MH.Yang]

How well is su35 in comparison to J-16? i know in radar su35 is still PESA but what about other parameters? can we say that J-16 is the best by far variant of su27 currently in the world?

On topic it maybe a very stupid question but is there any chance or plan of upgrading current J-10C with WS-15 engine? or WS-15 engine is only made for 5th gen

If the Su-35 is good enough, the PLA wouldn't throw it to play with the old MIG belonging to the Burmese and Vietnamese on the Myanmar border, but deploy it in the Eastern Theater, play with the Americans and Japanese fighter jets.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

If the Su-35 is good enough, the PLA wouldn't throw it to play with the old MIGs on the Myanmar border, but deploy it in the Eastern Theater.

You can't sell to any country because it's Russian INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

 

[MH.Yang]

You can't sell to any country because it's Russian INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

These Su-35 are ones that China purchased from Russia, and I don’t think Russia will block China from selling it.

If a secondhand fighter jet deal does not harm Russia’s national interests, but Russia blocks it, such behavior would hurt Russia’s business reputation. Potential clients will think that secondhand Russian military is not allowed to be sold.

 

[Deino]

This makes sense. China shifting all J-10A, J-10B, Su-30 and Su-35 to allies that may see a value to it. This will reduce much burden of supply chain and will streamline it for PLAAF. I am sure Iran will be interested in the Chinese SU-35.

Are we still in the "PAF & J-10C thread"? Exporting Chinese Flankers to Iran and why which variant for Indonesia should be fine seems IMO a bit far off!

@Fatman17

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

If the Iranians had any common sense in their military procurement programmes, they would ask China for those Su-35s if China wants to sell them.

If Russia is selling them "directly" to Iran with planned deliveries, then they should not have issues with indirect sales like this given how much Iran needs them right now. Just look at how the UK approved the sale of Typhoons from Qatar, and Oman to the Türkiye.

However, only Allah knows how Iranians plan, and strategically structure their military procurement programmes, it is a complete mystery to everyone else.

Iran has long aspired to develop an indigenous fighter jet capability, but the reality is that its defense industry lacks the technological depth, financial resources, and international partnerships necessary to produce a true 4.5 generation multirole combat aircraft. Most of Iran’s domestic fighter designs are heavily based on outdated platforms particularly the American F-5 Tiger II which, while reliable in their era, are no match for modern aerial warfare demands.

In my view, a more pragmatic and strategically sound approach would have been for the Iranian Air Force to procure the Chinese J-10C in significant numbers in last 5 years. The J-10C offers a balanced mix of affordability, advanced avionics, AESA radar, and compatibility with modern weapons systems. It would have dramatically enhanced Iran’s air combat capabilities while maintaining logistical and operational efficiency.

Additionally, integrating Russian Su-30s into the fleet, especially with a hybrid configuration using Chinese electronics and Turkish subsystems could have created a versatile and formidable air superiority backbone. It’s still not too late for that.
This kind of modular procurement strategy would allow Iran to bypass some of the limitations imposed by sanctions and domestic production bottlenecks, while leveraging proven platforms from allied nations.

Ultimately, Iran’s current trajectory in fighter development seems more symbolic than operational. A diversified acquisition strategy, combining Chinese, Russian, and Turkish technologies, would offer a more credible deterrent and a faster path to regional air parity.

As for PAF, we are still in need of 2 to 4 squadron of J-10c to replace all older platforms.

 

[ghazi52]