AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[MMM-E]

KAAN Fighter Jet will control MUM-T Manned-unmanned teaming for the 6th gen war concept


Its low-visibility fuselage will allow KIZILELMA stealthy approach to the no escape zone ranges of GOKBORA BVR missile without the enemy even knowing what is coming


A first in the world: Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet took off with AESA Radar

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Moments when the domestic AESA Radar integrated into KIZILELMA scans the area within a range of 230 km

MURAD-100A AESA radar on Kızılelma can scan up to 160nm in a 140⁰ sector.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Let's try to keep the user insults to a minimum. We may be running a special on thread bans.

 

[iblini]

China showed some mock up platforms in military parade

These two are real prototype jets and they have already participated in internal aerial engagement exercises, just saying.

 

[MH.Yang]

China showed some mock up platforms in military parade

China's parades have never allowed models to participate. Not even the prototypes of the J-36 and J-50, which have already been-flown, are eligible to join the parade.

In China's military parade, only frontline equipment that has already entered service in large numbers is allowed to participate. For example, the J-10, which made its maiden flight in 1998 and entered service with the Air Force in 2003, did not participate in military parades for the first time until 2009.

Prototypes or equipment that are not in service or have a small amount of service are not eligible to participate in China's military parade according to convention, such as J-36, J-50, electromagnetic railgun, and quantum radar, DF-51、JL-3、 Suborbital bombers, etc.

There are also many second-line equipment that are not eligible to participate in the parade, such as. J-10C, KJ-2000, PCL-181, PLZ-05B, etc.

 

[Michael]

dude, the J-10CE purchased by Pakistan from China is equipped with China's HMDS. This should be easily obtainable intelligence, right?
As early as the 2000s, HUD had already been popularized in Chinese models such as J-10A, and J-11 A.
Since 2017, models such as J-10C, J-11B, J-15, J-16 have popularized HMDS.
As for the J-20, have you heard of the panoramic cockpit HMDS?

HMDs (Helmet Mounted Duty Systems) come in several different categories.

In China, two common types are the "fly helmet" and the "panda helmet."

The Chinese "fly helmet" is identical to the helmet worn by pilots of the US F-35 fighter jet. The "panda helmet," however, is a lower-end version, lacking some sensors (the raised dots on the outside of the helmet).

The J-10CE fighter jets exported by China to Pakistan are equipped with the more advanced "fly helmet," but Chinese pilots almost exclusively wear the "panda helmet." Although we see photos of Chinese pilots wearing "fly helmets" in various fighter jets, in reality, they wear the "panda helmet" more often. There are reasons for this.

The numerous sensors in the "fly helmet" allow pilots to have a more intuitive understanding of the surrounding situation of the fighter jet. However, the detection range of these sensors is very limited. They are only effective in close-range dogfights. In modern BVR air combat, these sensors are meaningless. Instead, they increase the helmet's complexity, weight, and cost. Of course, it looks more futuristic and advanced, but currently it doesn't have much practical significance. ------ Personally, I believe this technology would be more effective on attack helicopters.

The "Panda Helmet" boasts a complete display and tracking system. It effectively manages BVR operations, but its performance in close-quarters dogfights is inferior to the "Fly Helmet." The question is, why would we engage in dogfights with our opponents?

Of course, in the eyes of some ignorant people, the "fly helmet" represents progress, while the "panda helmet" represents backwardness. Arguing with such ignorant people is pointless.

 

[MMM-E]

Of course, in the eyes of some ignorant people, the "fly helmet" represents progress, while the "panda helmet" represents backwardness. Arguing with such ignorant people is pointless.

F-35 and KAAN use by ignorant People but Chinese Jets use by smart People


level of quality and technology between NATO and China

USA : Collins Aerospace F-35 Gen III


Chinese one

 

[royalharris]

Let's try to keep the user insults to a minimum. We may be running a special on thread bans.

Think about how to curb the behavior of bragging.
Their endless, rambling boasting is just like flies buzzing around, which is truly extremely annoying.

 

[albert_008]

After reading the all posts above that i finally understand the mentality of some Turkish members' endless efforts to brag here. Afterall, this is the first time they tried to make the 5th- generation-like fighter. They are qualified to brag about the technology in the same level of Korea's or India's., but not necessary to bring in comparison of existing elite fighters. Kaan is no where match against them.

 

[wangdefa]

Since the Turks are pretty sure that the aircraft will be tested in 2026 and put into service in 2030, then I have time to wait and see the real situation. I'll keep this thread first. Is it bragging? We'll find out soon enough, right?

 

[hodor]

Since the Turks are pretty sure that the aircraft will be tested in 2026 and put into service in 2030, then I have time to wait and see the real situation. I'll keep this thread first. Is it bragging? We'll find out soon enough, right?

Can’t you understand what you read? It’s been written multiple times — if the U.S. provides the F110 engine, the first delivery will be in 2028.
If the U.S. doesn’t provide the engine:
the domestic TF-35000 engine will
have its first ignition in 2026,
first flight in 2029,
and enter mass production in 2032.

 

[wangdefa]

Can’t you understand what you read? It’s been written multiple times — if the U.S. provides the F110 engine, the first delivery will be in 2028.
If the U.S. doesn’t provide the engine:
the domestic TF-35000 engine will
have its first ignition in 2026,
first flight in 2029,
and enter mass production in 2032.

2030 or 2032 is not far away for me, thank you for the time update. I will be looking at this information again in a few years.

 

[huanghong]

Is the T-129 currently using domestically produced Turkish engines? I recall the embargo has been in place for a long time?

 

[MMM-E]

KAAN even with American F-110 Engine easly will match with Non-NATO Fighters such as Russian SU-57 and Chinese J-20 and J-35


You can see the high quality NATO standard on KAAN Fighter Jet

1-- With AI-enhanced battlefield awareness ( 360° situational awareness with 4 AESA radars - sensor fusion with EOTS , IRST with unique configuration )
2-- High-capacity networking , AI , data fusion
3-- Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
4-- Pilot Health Tracking
7-- DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER
8-- HMDS (Helmet Display System) with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness
9-- Increased-range BVR Missiles
10-- Excellent EW capabilities with Aselsan FEWS - Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite
11 -- Powerful AESA Radar Aselsan MURAD-600A with 2.000+ T/R GaN modules
12 -- Full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types ( KAAN , ANKA-3, KIZILELMA )

NATO's stealth Fighter Jets F-22 , F-35 and KAAN


in BVR Combat
4,5 gen Fighters such as F-15EX , F-16V , SU-35 , J-10C , RAFALE , Eurofighter have no any chance against the KAAN in BVR combat

because KAAN is a stealth Fighter Jet with much lower RCS
and KAAN is coming with powerful AESA Radar

Head to Head engagement
KAAN : 175 km
F-15EX : 47 km
F-18E/F : 47 km
Eurofighter : 38 km
RAFALE : 35 km
F-16V : 29 km


MUM-T Concept ( Manned-unmanned teaming )

This is the 6th gen war concept to dominate entire air and Turkiye is leading County in NATO with USA

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

KAAN even with American F-110 Engine easly will match with Non-NATO Fighters such as Russian SU-57 and Chinese J-20 and J-35


You can see the high quality superior NATO standard on KAAN Fighter Jet

1-- With AI-enhanced battlefield awareness ( 360° situational awareness with 4 AESA radars - sensor fusion with EOTS , IRST with unique configuration )
2-- High-capacity networking , AI , data fusion
3-- Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
4-- Pilot Health Tracking
7-- DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER
8-- HMDS (Helmet Display System) with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness
9-- Increased-range BVR Missiles
10-- Excellent EW capabilities with Aselsan FEWS - Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite
11 -- Powerful AESA Radar Aselsan MURAD-600A with 2.000+ T/R GaN modules
12 -- Full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types ( KAAN , ANKA-3, KIZILELMA )

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NATO's stealth Fighter Jets F-22 , F-35 and KAAN
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in BVR Combat
4,5 gen Fighters such as F-15EX , F-16V , SU-35 , J-10C , RAFALE , Eurofighter have no any chance against the KAAN in BVR combat

because KAAN is a stealth Fighter Jet with much lower RCS
and KAAN is coming with powerful AESA Radar

Head to Head engagement
KAAN : 175 km
F-15EX : 47 km
F-18E/F : 47 km
Eurofighter : 38 km
RAFALE : 35 km
F-16V : 29 km
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MUM-T Concept
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First complete the avionics package of KAAN in testbed and then KAAN and then talk big, Currently KAAN is flying with only basic instruments and telemetry equipment

 

[Deino]

Let's try to keep the user insults to a minimum. We may be running a special on thread bans.

I totally agree with your request, but can we please stop this nonsense?!

Even if I find the thread alone quite strange since AMCA is not even flying and Kaan won't be ready anytime soon if ever with its full potential while the KF-21 is another class and even if you think such a theoretical discussion makes any sense, it has become a shithole not since some are against Kaan or Turkey, but since only one here is not posting a comparison, but only blatantly overhyped Turkish propaganda ... all this stuff is contributing NOTHING to the topic! He can post that stuff whenever he wants in the Kaan-thread, but wha must he have yet another platform to spread his propaganda?

Yes, Kaan has a tremendous potential when done with its final engines and all its systems integrated & functioning, but only THEN! Until then it is nothing but a technology demonstrator.
As such to claim, Turkey has reached the same level like the US which is operating stealth fighters since decades, the PLAAF, which has not yet reached IMO the same level but is following closely ... but Turkey hasn't reached that level of operational experience, numbers of fighters in service and it hasn't even proven to have reached the level of engines.

That's not an insult or trolling, but simply a fact!

And it must be allowed to be said - especially as a moderator - without getting the worst insults in reply from a narcistic and nationalistic fan-boy.