Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Oscar said:
That was a myth made up by religious leadership in conjunction with military.
What helped was good men with faith in Allah and who gave everything for their country despite the lack of faith and honesty from their leaders.

Many of these men were nowhere close to the perfect muslims idealized by nutjobs everywhere including PDF - many held “secular” ideals which TLP or Swat Taliban or TTP would murder Them for - many enjoyed music and movies and culture - many were more conservative - some even drank occasionally perhaps. But these were a majority of competent and all honest professionals who did not half roll away, who did not cower behind women and wine like their leaders.

So when the time came they did not hesitate - they said bismillah, either sat in their tanks, went to the front line, got into a submarine or strapped in a fighter and went with full faith they were fighting for their country, its population of muslims - and to them it was the fight for truth.They followed orders trusting the discipline of a system even when they felt it failing because they knew if they disobeyed today then their subordinates could disobey at a crucial time too.

These were the Acde Latif -mild gentleman who saved west Pakistan from being cut in two through monabao by launching wave after wave of air attack including trainers to stop an Indian advance.

They were the soldiers at Longewalla who kept fighting under wave after wave of air attack on a plan that was flawed from the get go.

The rest Allah knows - but to say the men did not come up with heroic feats on their own and angels came is dishonesty to me.

Ironically, a “urban myth” around angels was also pushed when the Egyptian offensive against Israel faltered - in that supposedly a Israeli military officer during an interaction with an Egyptian officer at a peace summit mockingly commented that he heard Egyptian soldiers were expecting angels to come and fight alongside them.

And the story goes that the Egyptian officer replied that angels did indeed come, but when they could not see any difference in character and belief between the Egyptian leaders and Israeli leaders they went back.

If we apply this simplistic folk tale to Pakistan - do still expect angels to fight alongside you?
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So you are telling me that stories Gazi Zaid Hamid tell us were bunch of BS (Sarcasm)... in battle you don't wait for angels, you fight with men you have, one thing for certain is that there will be one specific angel that will surly show up, "Angel of Death".
 
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Starlord said:
So you are telling me that stories Gazi Zaid Hamid tell us were bunch of BS (Sarcasm)... in battle you don't wait for angels, you fight with men you have, one thing for certain is that there will be one specific angel that will surly show up, "Angel of Death".
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If there was ever a Pakistani Don Quixote - it would be him.
 
"As per the citation, while conducting a dual check sortie with an under-training pilot under pitch dark visibility, the aircraft's rear canopy shattered mid-air during a steep upward turn."

“Shattering of a rear part of the canopy doesn't make any sense at 18,000ft. Sounds like they were shot at and barely escaped”

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India continues to slowly accept that more of its jets were shot down in May, but uses weird reasoning to justify losses.
 
Falcon26 said:
"As per the citation, while conducting a dual check sortie with an under-training pilot under pitch dark visibility, the aircraft's rear canopy shattered mid-air during a steep upward turn."

“Shattering of a rear part of the canopy doesn't make any sense at 18,000ft. Sounds like they were shot at and barely escaped”

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India continues to slowly accept that more of its jets were shot down in May, but uses weird reasoning to justify losses.
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Either that or IAF maintenance and HAL are perhaps worse than assumed. Entire Missile rails fall off, Canopies are either manufactured so badly they shatter during stressful maneuvers.

They'll basically fall apart regardless of any PAF action or not.
 
Oscar said:
That was a myth made up by religious leadership in conjunction with military.
What helped was good men with faith in Allah and who gave everything for their country despite the lack of faith and honesty from their leaders.

Many of these men were nowhere close to the perfect muslims idealized by nutjobs everywhere including PDF - many held “secular” ideals which TLP or Swat Taliban or TTP would murder Them for - many enjoyed music and movies and culture - many were more conservative - some even drank occasionally perhaps. But these were a majority of competent and all honest professionals who did not half roll away, who did not cower behind women and wine like their leaders.

So when the time came they did not hesitate - they said bismillah, either sat in their tanks, went to the front line, got into a submarine or strapped in a fighter and went with full faith they were fighting for their country, its population of muslims - and to them it was the fight for truth.They followed orders trusting the discipline of a system even when they felt it failing because they knew if they disobeyed today then their subordinates could disobey at a crucial time too.

These were the Acde Latif -mild gentleman who saved west Pakistan from being cut in two through monabao by launching wave after wave of air attack including trainers to stop an Indian advance.

They were the soldiers at Longewalla who kept fighting under wave after wave of air attack on a plan that was flawed from the get go.

The rest Allah knows - but to say the men did not come up with heroic feats on their own and angels came is dishonesty to me.

Ironically, a “urban myth” around angels was also pushed when the Egyptian offensive against Israel faltered - in that supposedly a Israeli military officer during an interaction with an Egyptian officer at a peace summit mockingly commented that he heard Egyptian soldiers were expecting angels to come and fight alongside them.

And the story goes that the Egyptian officer replied that angels did indeed come, but when they could not see any difference in character and belief between the Egyptian leaders and Israeli leaders they went back.

If we apply this simplistic folk tale to Pakistan - do still expect angels to fight alongside you?
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And some were not even muslims.

W/C Mervyn Leslie Middlecoat , son of the soil who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

Have implicit faith in Allah, but also tie your camel.
 
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Oscar said:
Either that or IAF maintenance and HAL are perhaps worse than assumed. Entire Missile rails fall off, Canopies are either manufactured so badly they shatter during stressful maneuvers.

They'll basically fall apart regardless of any PAF action or not.
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They lost over a 1000 soldiers last time they mobilized against Pakistan
 
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