H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

kambhakt said:
The H1B want to graduate to green card and then to citizens. So they keep most of their savings in the USA and send a minor percentage home. If a GCC is opened in India, the complete salary is foreign exchange coming into India. So even if the salary is a fraction of that of the H1B, the foreign exchange coming in may very well be more.

Currently, as people have to come back, the will be closing their USA bank account and liquidating their USA assets and bringing them back. We might see a surge because of that.
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Somehow, I don't think your optimism is founded on sound idea. India simply cannot replace the bounties from the H1bs and at least into foreseeable future India will hurt, despite offshoring, should the proposed H1b curbs are enforced.
India, like Pakistan, has too many people to absorb. Actually, the whole Subcontinent is a mess of overpopulation and resource scarcity.
 
Meengla said:
Somehow, I don't think your optimism is founded on sound idea. India simply cannot replace the bounties from the H1bs and at least into foreseeable future India will hurt, despite offshoring, should the proposed H1b curbs are enforced.
India, like Pakistan, has too many people to absorb. Actually, the whole Subcontinent is a mess of overpopulation and resource scarcity.
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Exactly this.

And it's getting worse.


As an overall region it's a serious laggard


I know India GDP GDP GDP but really?going to live off that?
 
@r3alist bro

Exactly this. And it's getting worse.

No, South Asia (IND+PAK+BD) is bad, but not getting worse.

As an overall region it's a serious laggard

Yes, but moving forward, not back, even if slowly.

Regards
 
SoulSpokesman said:
@r3alist bro

Exactly this. And it's getting worse.

No, South Asia (IND+PAK+BD) is bad, but not getting worse.

As an overall region it's a serious laggard

Yes, but moving forward, not back, even if slowly.

Regards
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Sir, the population experiencing meaningful deep growth is being outpaced by those who are not.

Lots of people, they have kids

Resources are finite

The region will become a more exaggerated version of Brazil.

China has independent growth, societal cohesion, a higher average IQ, and ability to produce its own technology. I'm sorry to bring them up, there is no other meaningful example for a region like south Asia.
 
r3alist said:
Sir, the population experiencing meaningful deep growth is being outpaced by those who are not.
Lots of people, they have kids
Resources are finite
The region will become a more exaggerated version of Brazil.
China has independent growth, societal cohesion, a higher average IQ, and ability to produce its own technology. I'm sorry to bring them up, there is no other meaningful example for a region like south Asia.
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Both you and @SoulSpokesman were correct: He was right that South Asia is indeed progressing but you too were right in implying that there are just too many people in South Asia with too much 'human resources' issues to make a major difference in the foreseeable future. Which brings me to what I had said above that off-shoring of jobs from the West to India to try to compensate for H1bs is not going to make much of a difference; India will hurt majorly if the H1b changes are really put in effect.
 
Meengla said:
Somehow, I don't think your optimism is founded on sound idea. India simply cannot replace the bounties from the H1bs and at least into foreseeable future India will hurt, despite offshoring, should the proposed H1b curbs are enforced.
India, like Pakistan, has too many people to absorb. Actually, the whole Subcontinent is a mess of overpopulation and resource scarcity.
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There were prophets of doom after the tarrifs and India continued growth far higher than most countries.

And we seem to get a GCC announcement every few days.

If we lose 40k h1b visas and they average 100k salary, that is 4 billion. Maybe 25% remittance would be 1 billion. Not really doom and gloom.
 
kambhakt said:
If we lose 40k h1b visas and they average 100k salary, that is 4 billion. Maybe 25% remittance would be 1 billion. Not really doom and gloom.
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In terms of absolute numbers, as you have put it, right. But an H1b becoming a citizen, having the 'chain immigration' and more 'chain immigration' and more such... there is a 'compounding' effect. Plus the 'prestige' that India has built over the last three decades of being some 'IT Giant' gets affected when Indians are fewer in the Western countries. Plus, as I said, the remittance to India from all the compounded-Indian-expats...
There is a reason saner Indian economists/analysts are worried about the H1b losses, should they materialize, but you are entitled to your opinion, of course.
 
Meengla said:
In terms of absolute numbers, as you have put it, right. But an H1b becoming a citizen, having the 'chain immigration' and more 'chain immigration' and more such... there is a 'compounding' effect. Plus the 'prestige' that India has built over the last three decades of being some 'IT Giant' gets affected when Indians are fewer in the Western countries. Plus, as I said, the remittance to India from all the compounded-Indian-expats...
There is a reason saner Indian economists/analysts are worried about the H1b losses, should they materialize, but you are entitled to your opinion, of course.
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The chain immigration helps the individual, not India's economy.once the chain immigration is complete, remittances stop totally.

I have a lot of H1b,green card and US citizens relatives. Their families back home are pretty well to do. I would be very surprised if they were sending any remittance at all.
 
kambhakt said:
The chain immigration helps the individual, not India's economy.once the chain immigration is complete, remittances stop totally.
I have a lot of H1b,green card and US citizens relatives. Their families back home are pretty well to do. I would be very surprised if they were sending any remittance at all.
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Bolded part: The chain immigration doesn't ends. That's the essence of it. Sigh!
But, please, do us Americans, the Canadians and the Westerners a favor and don't send millions more Indians to those countries? I doubt you have any control over that though. Indians are desperately fleeing India even taking the dangerous route to America from Mexico.
 
Meengla said:
In terms of absolute numbers, as you have put it, right. But an H1b becoming a citizen, having the 'chain immigration' and more 'chain immigration' and more such... there is a 'compounding' effect. Plus the 'prestige' that India has built over the last three decades of being some 'IT Giant' gets affected when Indians are fewer in the Western countries. Plus, as I said, the remittance to India from all the compounded-Indian-expats...
There is a reason saner Indian economists/analysts are worried about the H1b losses, should they materialize, but you are entitled to your opinion, of course.
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@Meengla back of envelope, what value ($) will you put to H1-B program if it were cut in half (timeframe say 10 years)
 
Meengla said:
Bolded part: The chain immigration doesn't ends. That's the essence of it. Sigh!
But, please, do us Americans, the Canadians and the Westerners a favor and don't send millions more Indians to those countries? I doubt you have any control over that though. Indians are desperately fleeing India even taking the dangerous route to America from Mexico.
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Lol. You haven't been following news. All of the companies are moving to India big time. Indians are not desparately fleeing anywhere. Don't confuse us to Pakistanis. Indians will flow to where opportunites are for them. There is no way America is going to set up restrictions on H1Bs at this time. They may temporarily restrict H1Bs coming from outside but that too won't matter as companies would bring them over L1s for the time being.

This is just Hyderabad.

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Meengla said:
Both you and @SoulSpokesman were correct: He was right that South Asia is indeed progressing but you too were right in implying that there are just too many people in South Asia with too much 'human resources' issues to make a major difference in the foreseeable future. Which brings me to what I had said above that off-shoring of jobs from the West to India to try to compensate for H1bs is not going to make much of a difference; India will hurt majorly if the H1b changes are really put in effect.
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This visa issue only really helps a thin crust of the actual population, the wider issue coming from long term change is the trend of economic nationalism which closes doors for Indians in general, potentially, we still don't know how far this policy will go,

I would say the same for the segment of society that is experiencing real development in south Asia, a thin-ish slice

But other indices like human development are not experiencing the big shifts the rest of the world has seen...or needs.

The biggest concern is the ability to create non-linear growth, or the lack of it. South Asia is one region that doesn't offer the world anything that is somewhat unique and in demand, for example the east Asians have a technology base , the middle east nations have experienced tremendous oil wealth... What will drive major south Asian economic development ..... That is proportionate to the population and size


On that cheerful note.....
 
sentry said:
Lol. You haven't been following news. All of the companies are moving to India big time. Indians are not desparately fleeing anywhere. Don't confuse us to Pakistanis. Indians will flow to where opportunites are for them. There is no way America is going to set up restrictions on H1Bs at this time. They may temporarily restrict H1Bs coming from outside but that too won't matter as companies would bring them over L1s for the time being.

This is just Hyderabad.

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