Dalit
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No, but they are dragged into this mess willingly. They are not the architects. That doesn't mean to say that dragging women on the streets is a good omen.
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No, but they are dragged into this mess willingly. They are not the architects. That doesn't mean to say that dragging women on the streets is a good omen.
VCheng
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To a fair observer, that simply means that until and unless PTI does provide these data, the reports of what is being claimed must be regarded as unproven.
That also explains why PTI does not appear to have gained much traction with its claims of victimization, at least thus far.
May be that will change once such claims are backed up by up actual evidence. That is up to PTI to provide.
HAIDER
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But sir, we never get the answer.
VCheng
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LOL. Because he knew the degree of protests already happening and ready to explode, and he had to respect it. He did not choose to not use force just due to the goodness of his heart, but due to knowing he faced certain defeat against the will of the people.
The same basic principle applies to Pakistan as well. My point stands:
If enough people in Pakistan really want change, then no one can stop it.
VCheng
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Is it we never get the answer or is it we are not ready to accept the answer?
Auqab13
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Im being biased towards them? I believe I was being biased against them. I have not lived in Pakistan, nor do I have any family from their.
If you would like to know why I am so interested in Pakistan, and how I know so much I will let you know.
Born in raised in the States, Parents moved here in the 80s from India. Muslim family, practicing, but not involved politically anywhere. Also had many Pakistani friends growing up. So my cultural understanding of Pakistan is quite good. I'm very interested in politics and global policy/strategy, so studying Pakistan, a mulim country, with a capabilities it has, is right up my ally.
My father is a huge fan of Imran Khan, still is, he has a picture with him when Imran Khan was doing fundraising here in America. I got hooked to Pakistan and its politics ironically because of Imran Khan. I thought he was pretty cool. Went down the Pakistani nationalist rabbit hole from there. I once did see him as a visionary leader, as someone with the skill sets needs for Pakistan to make it's case.
Time went on, I got older, smarter, analyzed the 4 or so years Imran spent as prime minister, understood something was not right. He seemed to have been in kahoots with the generals at the time Bajwa of Faiz. I think they were puppeting him to a good extent, later they betrayed him, or maybe the army establishment silently revolted against all 3. I think the latter is more accurate to what happened.
They say the violence in Pakistan went down becuase of him, I'd argue the army was able to clean up a lot of that stuff before he became PM, and he therefore inherited and took credit indirectly. Another thing is just bad policy, a lot of it isnt his fault, its just ingrained in the system, but we were expecting him to fight it or bring awareness to it atleast, but he did neither. He wasn't really that great administrative wise.
Look at his supporters, his advisors, and people he's given tickets to and there is no difference between what Imran brought and what the establishment poltiical parties had. I'd argue PTI members were worse: more Qadianis, more opportunists, more western brained numbskulls, more idiots.
I am also not a fan of the cult worshipping that PTI has for imran khan, some of it is manufactured by the party for obvious reasons, a lot of it is genuine, but regardless it is not good. He is charismatic, a good speaker, and good looking, and they have built a cult over him due to that. Respecting a leader is different than making him the end all be all.
Another thing, I personally don't think a man who has openly (publicly) commited sins like Zina and drinking should be leading a nation. Everyone sins, people can be redeemable, but there is a spiritual aspect to this (look into the role flogging plays). Obviously that goes with all politicians, but I'd say Imran has had the most publicized life. I think it would have been good if he stayed advocating for Pakistan in his own capacity outside of government, but maybe not leading the nation. Just The fact that he was married to a lady from a very influential, zionist family is also not a good look. She reverted back to her old ways, and its clear she is not a muslim, so one should question the her motive for marrying Khan. He has two sons hostage to that woman. The whole ordeal screams like hes has blackmail on him.
He is Pakistan's Trump, a man with a lot of charisma, a man said a lot of things that appeal to the religious and nationalist tendencies of the nation. But a man with a troubled past, a man who maybe believes in a vision but has not lived it. A man who surrounds himself with people who do not represent the vision he promised. A man either through incompetence or blackmail, has to do things against the interests of his constituents. Imran Khan = Trump, MAGA = PTI.
I can talk all day about this, why don't you make thread since its not related to the this thread.
Auqab13
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yeah I may be new to the server, but trust me when i say this, i have been visiting this forum since 2018 on and off. I think the previous site was shutdown or something, and this was opened up in the past 5 years or so. I am not trying to bad mouth him, just trying to get to get my point across. Sorry if it came off a bit blunt. @HAIDER
However that PTI Youtube channel does make my blood boil. Not that he is PTI, just their style of delivery that is all. Moeez Pirzada does it right, even if I do not agree with him.
Imran Khan is a Dum Dum.
This regime only understands one language. Ask the people to talk to this regime in that language.
The Dum Dum has been harping "Peaceful protests " only to have wife's monthly periods discussed in courts and all over media, and sisters dragged on the streets.
And thousands of supporters gone kidnapped by the state.
This regime only understands one language. Ask the people to talk to this regime in that language.
The Dum Dum has been harping "Peaceful protests " only to have wife's monthly periods discussed in courts and all over media, and sisters dragged on the streets.
And thousands of supporters gone kidnapped by the state.
Watandar
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It's important that civilian politicians not stoop to the level of army autocrats.
It's not just about democratic culture, the Army would be v happy to declare PTI a terrorist org and eliminate Imran Khan in an "encounter".
HAIDER
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Jango
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They have...? Many times?
clutch
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Almost every Pakistani has relatives living abroad. So do you. Start the expulsion process with your own family.
Plus you guys live off of overseas remittances. So since your Generals worship money, I own them too.
that is not how contempt cases work. if this meeting was ordered by court all they have to do is show the document to the court and media and international media and it will work better then sitting outside jail and creating fake drama.
Xestan
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lol see the hypocrisy there.
Xestan
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They went to court and got Nawaz Sharif released from prison on medical grounds because authorities then listened to court orders. In IK’s case, the courts have ordered the authorities to let IK’s sisters meet him but this time, authorities are in Bughaz-e-Imran, so they ain’t listening to court orders either.
Nawaz Sharif was jailed under flimsy charges which were financial in nature. But Imran Khan has way more than that. He's a security threat, and continues to propagate for the enemy from inside the jail. He supports Taliban and other terrorists, that's why this is very much justified.
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