An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

[r3alist]

Discredited analysts like Arnab and General Bakshi from the Indian media need no 'official' response from Pakistan; those 'analysts' constantly bash Pakistan. But unofficially, prominent Pakistani media personalities have been rubbishing the claims like it was America or Pakistan who caused this crash. And that response is enough at this point.

It is more than that, and you can then say the Indian media in general is discredited


However, there comes a point where on some incidents you have to draw the line, because sometimes mud can stick.


I mean they are doing a good job of discrediting themselves, but for some things I don't see why they should be silence, not on official response, but just to point made somehow in some way that this is ridiculous

 

[Meengla]

Right. Remember the scene from 'Raiders of the Lost Arc' (?) where the guy was IMPRESSIVELY displaying his sword skills but was shot dead from a distance using a gun? LOL!

Here, for the youngens, who might not have seen the movie. But that's what essentially fighter jets are becoming in peer competition.

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[Meengla]

I mean they are doing a good job of discrediting themselves, but for some things I don't see why they should be silence, not on official response, but just to point made somehow in some way that this is ridiculous

You are saying it yourself.
Why stop the enemy when they are making a mistake?
Anyway, AFIK, no official Indian blame on Pakistan and so no official Pakistani response is needed. The media in Pakistan is doing a good job trolling India. Also, by Indians blaming America/GE, they don't help themselves at all, given their almost virtual lack of options for fighter jets.

 

[Mohid Afzal]

The UAE have become such a Beghairat nation in that they offered to sell weapons to India to be integrated onto the Tejas that India could have used against Pakistan. The fact, that at one point that decision took place in the UAE and they thought was the correct thing for them to do in light of "brotherly relations" with Pakistan is totally shameful on the UAE. Can you imagine Türkiye doing this, no, of course not. One more act to add to the Beghairatness of the UAE as a whole, and the executive decision making that is taking place right now.

Hopefully we can now stop hearing about "brotherly relations" between UAE and Pakistan.

Utterly Utterly Utterly shameful act by the UAE .. totally shameful. The fact that this may now "fall apart" is irrelevant.

to them, it's all about business. If Pak tries to do something that harms India, they will pressue us to stop but for India, there doors are always open

 

[Baibers_1260]

It doesn't have to be FBW or Hi Tech . Simple competence and KNOWING the aircraft is enough. Provided of course the aircraft has no technical problems and is designed well.
The following example at a community air show of a PRIVATELY owned Mig 17 Fresco performing aerobatics flown by a CIVILIAN pilot is stark. Look at point 4.04 in the video below. The Fresco is just 3 meters from the ground, yet the pilot has full control and pulls safely up.
@hnn @Meengla @PakistanLVR

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[Ali_Baba]

You are saying it yourself.
Why stop the enemy when they are making a mistake?
Anyway, AFIK, no official Indian blame on Pakistan and so no official Pakistani response is needed. The media in Pakistan is doing a good job trolling India. Also, by Indians blaming America/GE, they don't help themselves at all, given their almost virtual lack of options for fighter jets.

The indians have a lot of options for fighter jets, more Rafales, Mig35s, Su30/35S/57E/75's, more 2nd hand Mirage 2000's, even Gripen-E's as a new induction to replace where Tejas was meant to fit in, and maybe outside chance of KF-21s. Long term they will be "woo'ed" for GCAP and FCAS as well. India has logically far more options than Pakistan does which is restricted to J10CE/JF17/J-35A and maybe at some point Kaans.

We all should be grateful that India did not go for the Gripen, as a platform that would have caused a lot of problems for Pakistan had they built up a large force in that platform and had the ability to get Gripen-E's now.

The issue, as with all things it seems, thankfully(!) is poor strategic planning. ie babuism.

 

[Meengla]

The indians have a lot of options for fighter jets, more Rafales, Mig35s, Su30/35S/57E, 2nd hand Mirage 2000's, even Gripen-E's and maybe outside chance of KF-21s, longterm they will be "woo'ed" for GCAP and FCAS aswell.

Indians need fighter jets right now. One report says they need 42 squadrons but only have 29 at the moment.
As to buying the jets from other countries, I think Russia is not a real option given Russia's own dire needs currently. Yes, Gripen, Euro Fighters etc are option but they would be very expensive, require integration and also Indians rightly believe they should be indigenously making instead of relying on distant sellers on not only the initial purchase but also for maintenance. I am saying these after reading some Indian defense forum posts.
As for Pakistan, yes, shallower pockets makes it harder in theory but I think China is willing to help a lot--Pravin Swaheny says almost free, unlimited supplies. It works well for China to 'contain' India via Pakistan and is really Pennies on the Dollar for them.

 

[TAC]

Dunno if this is comedy or they seriously think this way…

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OMG so this idiot is suggesting that that JF-17 shot the Tejas down without ever taking off? Just shows what too much of the good stuff does to your brains.

 

[meh_analysis]

The indians have a lot of options for fighter jets, more Rafales, Mig35s, Su30/35S/57E/75's, more 2nd hand Mirage 2000's, even Gripen-E's as a new induction to replace where Tejas was meant to fit in, and maybe outside chance of KF-21s. Longterm they will be "woo'ed" for GCAP and FCAS aswell. India has logically far more options than Pakistan does which is restricted to J10CE/JF17/J-35A and maybe at some point Kaans.

We all should be grateful that India did not go for the Gripen, as a platform that would have caused a lot of problems for Pakistan.

The issue, as with all things it seems, thankfully(!) is poor strategic planning. ie babuism.

No Russian jets till 2030 atleast. Nobody is going to sell Mirages any time soon and if they do it's not gonna be the latest model or be on the edge of retirement. Grippen does not suit India and it's strategic needs at all, so not grateful but understandable. For India the F-16 was the better option. KF-21 is surely a project, maybe South Koreans would want in the Indian rupee. Jokes aside, it's still a very heavily US influenced program so impossible for India to even sniff it. So India basically have no choice but to work with France or suck the boots of the US, while Pakistan has already built up enough relations to get US equivalent equipments from 2030(Chinese are still a bit off) while having a growing military aerospace sector. So Indians are in a tight corner not us, they can't get the best non-US fighters as they all come from China while we can.

 

[meh_analysis]

Did your visa get rejected or something?

Nah just a day one UAE hater. I also would go abroad for studying and these Arabs don't have any good universities to study in.

 

[maxpane]

people are forgetting that Chinese the only option is the blessing for us as in some area they are surpassing ameriacn tech while in other fields rhey are competing them and in future they would be the sole leader. india has options but qualitative can they compete chinese. its not going to happen soon

 

[Ali_Baba]

No Russian jets till 2030 atleast.

Russians are successfully selling to Algeria, and if the rumours prove to be true, Iran aswell.

Nobody is going to sell Mirages any time soon and if they do it's not gonna be the latest model or be on the edge of retirement.

India and Qatar are talking about their Mirages as of now for their 12 jets.

Grippen does not suit India and it's strategic needs at all, so not grateful but understandable.

I disagree on this. It suits India perfectly as far as actual military capabilities go and would compliment the Rafales.

For India the F-16 was the better option.

Why would India buy the same platform that Pakistan has operated for decades ?

KF-21 is surely a project, maybe South Koreans would want in the Indian rupee. Jokes aside, it's still a very heavily US influenced program so impossible for India to even sniff it.

If the Americans are pitching F16/18 and F-35s to India, then KF-21 will face no restrictions for India.

So India basically have no choice but to work with France or suck the boots of the US, while Pakistan has already built up enough relations to get US equivalent equipments from 2030

Pakistan is not buying anything from the USA now, or in the future except for support and maintenance contracts. There is nothing out there, to indicate otherwise.

(Chinese are still a bit off) while having a growing military aerospace sector. So Indians are in a tight corner not us, they can't get the best non-US fighters as they all come from China while we can.

Don't agree with this logic, what is holding India back is not lack of choice or options, it is their own internal restrictions on what they feel that they should or should not be doing as far as procurement programmes go. Thankfully the Indians are their own worst enemies as far as procurement programmes go. They will keep flogging the Tejas in the vain hope that one day it comes good for them.

 

[friday]

Crashing down a Tejas was a part of closing ceremony - IAF Sources.

 

[clutch]

The UAE have become such a Beghairat nation in that they offered to sell weapons to India to be integrated onto the Tejas that India could have used against Pakistan. The fact, that at one point that decision took place in the UAE and they thought was the correct thing for them to do in light of "brotherly relations" with Pakistan is totally shameful on the UAE. Can you imagine Türkiye doing this, no, of course not. One more act to add to the Beghairatness of the UAE as a whole, and the executive decision making that is taking place right now.

Hopefully we can now stop hearing about "brotherly relations" between UAE and Pakistan.

Utterly Utterly Utterly shameful act by the UAE .. totally shameful. The fact that this may now "fall apart" is irrelevant.

UAE supported the Palestinian Genocide and are 100% Zionist puppets. Do you really think they will side with Pakistan over Hindutva India over Pakistan because of "Muslim" brotherhood? How naive of you.

The Tejas crash, although tragic, may have slowed down the UAE and India weapons dependency, but will not stop it. The Tejas crash was a demonstration of the Indian Airport pilot error and systematic of broader issues they have with their aircraft tech.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@clutch

Independent of what relationship that UAE may have or not with Israel, there is a massive economic relationship between UAE and IND. Which will always create a somewhat pro IND tilt in UAE diplomacy.

Regards