Turkish UAV/UCAV Projects

That_Guy said:
For testing purposes. Not all missions require stealth, and having external hardpoints allows a stealth fighter to take more traditional roles as well.
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also Baykar taking it step by step, IWB tests haven't started it, this is a much simpler setup and less things possible to go wrong.
 
BAYKAR technology seems to have undertaken the mission of bringing the Turkish Aviation industry to the level of developed countries like USA or maybe even one step ahead of them


GÖKDOĞAN air to air Missile linked flight test & EOTS–MURAD AESA Radar performance Test
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Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar ... July 22, 2024

We will invest $300 million into engine production within the next five years. Within four years, we will be building Bayraktar KIZILELMA’s Engine

BAYKAR allocated $1 billion to the KIZILELMA project

Türkiye will be building the world’s most advanced unmanned stealth fighter Jet within the next four years by developing its own engine: “We concentrate on being the best in technology over profits.”

official source
baykartech.com

Haluk Bayraktar: “We concentrate on being the best in technology over profits”

The Bayraktar KIZILELMA Unmanned Fighter Jet is the most important project on which Baykar, the world’s largest UCAV exporter, is currently work
baykartech.com baykartech.com
 
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eIsQengiz said:
Yes, a lack of evidence is seen as legitimate technological progress by Chinese fans, while facts supported by 100s of video evidence are distorted. Deino's excessive hyping of grainy and vague Weibo posts fuels a warped fantasy among Chinese people.
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Again, you guys are funny … the point is the lack of evidence especially in terms of secret projects (like the US black programs) and from a country like China is never a proof it „never happens“! We all know, that several secret test specimen flew in the US often several years before the world got aware.

As such I do not rate this as proven, but anyone who knows the Chinese side, they never announce, they never brag, they do their stuff and when a type entered service it is often reported only in a short note months if not years later.

Look at the J-15T: Until November 2024 we didn‘t even know development was finished and if serial production - which was expected - was initiated already and then we out of the blue saw almost 30 flying together off two aircraft carriers.

So yes, we have not proof, but to claim „we are the first“ and the „Chinese stuff is empty or mock-ups on trucks and nothing real“ is plain wrong!
 
There are no secret projects


This is American YFQ-44A conducted its first flight on Oct. 31, 2025
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This is Turkish KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet conducted its first flight on 14 December 2022 and now flying with MURAD-100A AESA Radar + TOYGUN EOTS + GOKDOGAN air to air Missile
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BAYKAR technology seems to have undertaken the mission of bringing the Turkish Aviation industry to the level of developed countries like USA or maybe even one step ahead of them
 
Deino said:
Again, you guys are funny … the point is the lack of evidence especially in terms of secret projects (like the US black programs) and from a country like China is never a proof it „never happens“! We all know, that several secret test specimen flew in the US often several years before the world got aware.

As such I do not rate this as proven, but anyone who knows the Chinese side, they never announce, they never brag, they do their stuff and when a type entered service it is often reported only in a short note months if not years later.

Look at the J-15T: Until November 2024 we didn‘t even know development was finished and if serial production - which was expected - was initiated already and then we out of the blue saw almost 30 flying together off two aircraft carriers.

So yes, we have not proof, but to claim „we are the first“ and the „Chinese stuff is empty or mock-ups on trucks and nothing real“ is plain wrong!
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Deino said:
Again, you guys are funny … the point is the lack of evidence especially in terms of secret projects (like the US black programs) and from a country like China is never a proof it „never happens“! We all know, that several secret test specimen flew in the US often several years before the world got aware.

As such I do not rate this as proven, but anyone who knows the Chinese side, they never announce, they never brag, they do their stuff and when a type entered service it is often reported only in a short note months if not years later.

Look at the J-15T: Until November 2024 we didn‘t even know development was finished and if serial production - which was expected - was initiated already and then we out of the blue saw almost 30 flying together off two aircraft carriers.

So yes, we have not proof, but to claim „we are the first“ and the „Chinese stuff is empty or mock-ups on trucks and nothing real“ is plain wrong!
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Off topic However, Chinese were so boastful about it that everyone knew that your ‘specimen’ were on display in the parade, bs. it’s your claim The Chinese government, because they knew they were holding Chinese parades in Tiananmen Square. Why did they have the rear ends of these toys on display?

Sorry the chinese F-15D 4th gen. doesn't advance your argument or make the initial unmanned flywings claim or make it plausible.
 
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I mentioned above that the first phase of the Kızılelma Project is nearing completion, but what about the second phase? The second phase will begin when Kızılelma flies with its TF-10000 engine and fires the BVR missile from its IWB. The second phase will involve the development of MUM-T concepts and robotic air combat doctrine. TURAF will primarily lead this phase, in collaboration with Baykar. The final, least important phase will see Kızılelma equipped with a more powerful engine and a suitable airframe.
 
BAYKAR develops 20.000 lbf turbofan Engine within 5 years ( probably with Ukraine ) ... The aim here is to ensure that this engine is used for new versions of KIZILELMA. BAYKAR is really quite ambitious in this regard with investment of $300 million

maybe KIZILELMA-2 or a tailless new Platform

Turbofan Engine projects for Unmanned Fighter Jets - flying wing UCAV
-- TEI TF-6.000 ( 6.000 lbf )
-- TEI TF-10.000 ( 10.000 lbf )
-- BAYKAR 20.000 lbf

Avionics - Electronics
-- Aselsan MURAD-100A AESA Radar
-- Aselsan TOYGUN EOTS
-- Aselsan KARAT IRST

Missiles for BVR combat and SEAD-DEAD role .. ( internal weapon bays )
-- 100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile
-- 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered BVR air to air Missile
-- 150+ km CAKIR Cruise Missile RF+IIR dual seeker
-- 275 km SOM-J stealth Cruise Missile with IIR seeker


KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 marks new era in modern Warfare with advanced technologies .... ( Revolutionizing Aerial Combat )​


BVR Combat
SEAD-DEAD role
Close air support
MUM-T concept

To produce 7 KIZILELMA in price of 1 RAFALE
and RAFALE has no chance against even 1 KIZILELMA in BVR combat
 
IMAGINE


-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- MURAD-100A AESA Radar
-- 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missile

10 KIZILELMA to carry 40 GOKBORA air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays

KIZILELMA will detect enemy F-16V and RAFALE Jets from 120+ km away while They will able to detect the KIZILELMA from 62-67 km away and GAME OVER !

RAFALE Pilots will take Turkish missiles on their heads before they see the KIZILELMA on their Radars

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I have been drawing attention to this capability since 2022 on PDF
and now this concept is slowly taking reality year by year

Everyone in the world has made this calculation, and they know it.
That's why Italian LEONARDO comes and demands a joint production of KIZILELMA

Good lucks to 4,5th gen Fighters F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE , SU-35 , J-10C in BVR combat
 
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Neither Russia, US and even EU has something like this. An UCAV with AESA and EOTS is something still not in service in Western countries. There is a lot of projects but not in tests. Congrats.
 
hyperman said:
also Baykar taking it step by step, IWB tests haven't started it, this is a much simpler setup and less things possible to go wrong.
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Also if we can be honest Baykar as a company really has a policy of pushing platforms into production quickly and then later bit by bit add on stuff to make it better. Production always comes first so it can be sold asap, optimization comes later.
 
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The domestically produced Gökdoğan AA missile, launched from Kızılelma, successfully hit its target with the help of the locally made Murad AESA radar.

This marks a turning point for TURAF and our nation, ushering in a new era! Congratulations to everyone who contributed to this achievement.
 
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