JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[AeronautIR]

Does that mean we have now more than 23 JF-17C in our inventory?

I think I have seen photo of No. 27 too

 

[AeronautIR]

Also that is too slow.. we need high bandwidth long range all weather network coverage for quick update and quick decision. I believe we must also upgrade link 17 to future 6th generation network for high bandwidth fully integrated solution. china may already have done that, we can take their help

Already under development by USA and China where bandwidth is so high that even videos can be shared, though I don't understand its technicalities of GSM, CDMA, TDMA etc.

 

[maxpane]

if they are showing it means they got it ready

 

[Ali_Baba]

View attachment 163256if they are showing it means they got it ready

Is that a drone, or a cruise missile? difficult to tell.

 

[safriz]

TDL (Tactical Datalink) should share info directly in real time... of course we have found solutions to integrate western tech with Chinese systems but it is via other assets, so indirect communication instead of talking directly.

True. But i guess the latency is very low. Because Swedish Eri Eye talked to Chinese J-10 and caused an accurate targeting of French made Indian Rafales and other aircrafts.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

You sound like you’re running for office the way you keep changing your stance. Two days ago you said one thing, and now it’s like you’ve forgotten it completely. I don’t mind when you play devil’s advocate, that can make a discussion stronger. But if you’re going to do that, at least stick to a clear argument instead of flip flopping. People respect consistency, not contradictions.

Eh? What do you mean, brother?

 

[maxpane]

Is that a drone, or a cruise missile? difficult to tell.

forgive me my ignorance i thought it was an engine

 

[Ak01]

View attachment 163256if they are showing it means they got it ready

no it doesnt

but only god knows what that is.

i see a vhf antenna and a control actuator a the back

 

[maxpane]

no it doesnt

but only god knows what that is.

i see a vhf antenna and a control actuator a the back

my bad i was happy that its engine

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

100% you're like the guys who said, "Someone will just sell it to us" when pressed why we weren't developing nuclear weapons in the 1950s.

And, when exactly do you think Pakistan started it's nuclear program?

The point is that we should NOT be dependent on any of the big powers.

"Dependent"? On what? On China for supplying weapons to Pakistan?

Are you seriously expecting Pakistan to produce heavy military hardware on its own, or co-produce with a tiny budget everything that China produces?

Is that even feasible for Pakistan? The country doesn't even have enough money to build roads and rail to date where whole of Pakistan is interconnected.

The point is that we SHOULD develop our own industrial base -- ESPECIALLY in defence, which is our largest procurement expense every year -- and do so through the means that offer bilateral or reciprocal technology sharing and co-production.

And, is that not happening currently within the limits that Pakistan faces? Are you under the impression that Pakistan does not want to produce anything at home but only wants to import military hardware from abroad?

What do these guys do?

GIDS - Home

www.gids.com.pk

https://www.karachishipyard.com.pk/

https://www.pac.org.pk/

We should treat the big powers (i.e., China, USA, Russia, etc) with skepticism and work to build ourselves up.

How do you think Pakistan became a nuclear power in the first place?

The reason why countries like Turkey keep coming up in the convo is that they're a fellow mid-tier power that also wants to grow and build itself. We have a mutual incentives structure for things like technology sharing and co-production.

Turkiye is the second largest military in NATO, yet it's flying upgraded F-16s still. On the other hand, Turkiye's tiny NATO members are flying fifth generation fighters, some of them even operate aircraft carriers.

Turkiye can't even switch on S-400 without American greenlight if I am not mistaken. They tried to get more goodies from Russia but CATSA dictated otherwise.

China, on the other hand, wants us to be dependent on them so that it can dictate terms to us.

Which Chinese dictation towards Pakistan are you talking about exactly? I've not heard or seen anything as such to date.

Had it been up to people like you, we wouldn't have nuclear weapons.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Already under development by USA and China where bandwidth is so high that even videos can be shared, though I don't understand its technicalities of GSM, CDMA, TDMA etc.

Spot on: USA's advancing Link 16/Link 22 with 5G integration for HD video feeds in JADC2 networks, while China's XS-3 and CETC hypersonic data links enable ultra-high-bandwidth sharing across PLA forces. Those old GSM/CDMA/TDMA techs? Ancient history—modern TDLs use advanced waveforms like Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (OFDM) for the massive throughput.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I think I have seen photo of No. 27 too

We may have inducted the initial 30 order at this point atleast. We may have more also

 

[hussain0216]

We may have inducted the initial 30 order at this point atleast. We may have more also

I think whatever Pakistan has they are purposely remaining quite to be able to surprise the enemy

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I think whatever Pakistan has they are purposely remaining quite to be able to surprise the enemy

They must keep the secrecy.. we should also confuse indians.. like at this point we may have more than 50 block 3s with some from block 2s upgraded

 

[Bilal]

Spot on: USA's advancing Link 16/Link 22 with 5G integration for HD video feeds in JADC2 networks, while China's XS-3 and CETC hypersonic data links enable ultra-high-bandwidth sharing across PLA forces. Those old GSM/CDMA/TDMA techs? Ancient history—modern TDLs use advanced waveforms like Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (OFDM) for the massive throughput.

Not my area of expertise but I would assume MIMO and beam forming too. Looks like an application for AESA tech being mastered by Pakistan?

After Radar, I would hope they do communication and EA application of the tech too.