Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Falcon26]

Spoken like the Hindu u are. Who do u think u fool with the American ‘I’m a neutral’ BS. Just because u don’t get called out after every post, u think nobody knows and you’re so clever.

Don’t call me a Hindu, man. That’s uncalled for. I am ok with your paranoia but no need to assign me to religions I have no business associating myself with.

I know the truth is a bitter pill to swallow, so I won’t stoop to your level.

 

[Shui]

Everybody sure does love china, except the Chinese

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What do you mean? You don't know this lc sign guy? He is very famous.

 

[Oscar]

Everybody sure does love china, except the Chinese

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They aren't the ones crossing illegally from Mexico or Canada into the US or freezing to death in the process.

 

[hnn]

So, Army did not do anything significant that is why no SJ (No land invasion etc).

Incorrect. Here are the details:

Operational Gallantry Awards
8 x SJ (All PAF)
5 x TJ (All PA)

Non-operational Gallantry Award
24 x SBt (All Service Branches)
45 x TBt (All Service Branches)

Recepients of TJ
Captain Ali Hassan, FF (TJ)
Lance Havaldar Amir Sheraz, BR (TJ)
Naik Abdul Rehman Shaheed, SSG (TJ)
Lance Naik Ikram Ullah Shaheed, AK (TJ)
Sepoy Adeel Akbar Shaheed, PR (TJ)

I hope you are aware the 3 Jurat Medals (HJ, SJ, and TJ) are strictly operational awards meaning they are awarded for brilliance, valor, and distinguished achievement in operational/tactical missions (inside and outside of Pakistan's borders) involving high risk combat (tactical offense/defense, infiltration, sabotage and/or damage to enemy personnel and assets)

Notice how the PA TJs are all infantry men? Were there any reports (even unverified) that IA crossed over LOC on our side? Why were these men awarded TJs if there was no combat inside our lands (was there combat on Indian side)? Do you think an SSG personnel embraced martyrdom guarding a border post? Is it even the responsibility of SSG personnel?

There was so much about the conflict that wasn't reported in the end. There were unverified reports of PA in occupation of 15-16 Indian border posts, AFAIK we had boots on ground in 7 of them, the rest were being claimed falsely because IA had vacated them and they were up for grabs.

Now, Artillery personnel were mostly awarded TBt and a couple of SBt - why? They did not cross over LOC but provided the cover fire and did indirect damage to IA's static installations (you are not awarded a Jurat Medal for this feat because operational risk in minimum) - yet other Artillery and other arms personnel were awarded TBt who were martyred defending their positions.

But FM sab, alone single handedly destoyed Brig. HQ and all the Posts on LOC, that is why he was awarded HJ.

In the absence any full fledge decleared war and/or Land Invasion, Army Chief gets HJ, and his soldiers get nothing, who made this happen for Chief?

Just want to understand better.

Give and take policy/agreement ..extensions, promotion, immunity in exchange of getting rid of Political opponents.

Now you already know my position on his FM title, and Constitutional Immunity - the HJ I don't agree with personally but per law can be awarded (due to him being the declared strategic leader of the whole conflict instead of CJCSC)

I'll reiterate again, our disliking for a single person because of his political ambitions shouldn't be used as an excuse (strawman) to stay blind towards the operational successes of PA.

PS: all (3-star and 2-star) operational commanders from all three services were awarded SBt as well - including the Aura Guy, DCS(O) and Silent Guy, DCNS(Ops).

Complete List of Military Medals Awarded for May Conflict

 

[flyingorca]

Dont know why Indians keep on saying S400 can shot down Pakistani jets at max range of 400 km but today i found out that at a distance of 400km the earth curvature is 12,500 meters and at 40 km its 125 meters. So if an aircraft is flying below that curvature it will never be detected unless Indian Vedic technology radars waves can also dip along with curvature. S400 and S500 are only effective against ballistic missiles at max range since their trajectory is above 150,000 feet.

 

[Be dazzled]

Unbelievable. I didn't expect this from you, bro.

Many commentators have explained by providing the references to the related articles/clauses and sequence of events that Field Marshal was already effectively army chief for five years after the 27th amendment. You are still missing all that. Strange.

He’s self proclaimed field marshal with zilch credentials. I don’t buy this nonsense. You can float on it all you like.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Dont know why Indians keep on saying S400 can shot down Pakistani jets at max range of 400 km but today i found out that at a distance of 400km the earth curvature is 12,500 meters and at 40 km its 125 meters. So if an aircraft is flying below that curvature it will never be detected unless Indian Vedic technology radars waves can also dip along with curvature. S400 and S500 are only effective against ballistic missiles at max range since their trajectory is above 150,000 feet.

fair point, assuming all radars are observing the object from the same point/height!

for instance, Ind, has many radars other than S400 radars or OTH radar
Ind. also has IADN

 

[Liquidator]

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[Falcon26]

He’s self proclaimed field marshal with zilch credentials. I don’t buy this nonsense. You can float on it all you like.

Well said. Totally agreed. No need to dignify an undignified man. The Sisi of Pakistan.

 

[flyingorca]

fair point, assuming all radars are observing the object from the same point/height!

for instance, Ind, has many radars other than S400 radars or OTH radar
Ind. also has IADN

Long range radars are usually stationed away from border.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Excellent summary, however, I'd add here that India now has also found a separatist fault line based on Political divide in our country. It's unfortunate to read comments on this forum, and other SMs, where "armed rebellion" against the "state usurpers" is increasingly becoming a common sight.

The irony is that, a number of the supporters of this armed rebellion are also supporters of peace talk with TTP - which makes me question why can't similar peace talks be held with political parties and military?

Taking up the scenario below:

Plan and execute a massive air, land and sea assault on Pakistan overwhelming its armed forces, destroying its infrastructure, and reducing all of Pakistan to Gaza like situation , India no longer sees Pakistan's nuclear weapons as a threat because any means that Pakistan has to deliver these weapons have been rendered useless. This strategy was done in the case of the invasion of Iraq by NATO.

We can only guess the game plan our enemy has for our complete and utter destruction, but it is likely to follow the game plan NATO has for Russia today.
Let's take the nuclear option first and how our enemy believes it can address the threat :
1. The enemy believes that Pakistan will never use the nuclear option because it will lose in the nuclear exchange. The damage will be only to Pakistan
2. The enemy believes that ALL land, air, and sea launched missiles with nuclear warheads launched by Pakistan will be intercepted just as every single missile and rocket launched by Pakistan in May 2025 was intercepted,
3. The enemy believes that hundreds of Brahmos missiles tipped with nuclear warheads can be launched against Pakistan with complete impunity. Pakistan will be unable to intercept any of them. All nuclear missiles launched will hit their targets, just as all missiles launched in May 2025 hit their targets,
However since a nuclear threat from Pakistan has now been eliminated Pakistan can be destroyed by a massive conventional assault. The grim reality is that the enemy believes it can win a nuclear showdown; so that makes a nuclear war inevitable.
The details of the conventional assault will be discussed in a follow up message.

 

[hnn]

Dont know why Indians keep on saying S400 can shot down Pakistani jets at max range of 400 km but today i found out that at a distance of 400km the earth curvature is 12,500 meters and at 40 km its 125 meters. So if an aircraft is flying below that curvature it will never be detected unless Indian Vedic technology radars waves can also dip along with curvature. S400 and S500 are only effective against ballistic missiles at max range since their trajectory is above 150,000 feet.

Because Indians like to quote "specs on paper"

The famous 400 km missile i.e. 40N6 on papers can shoot down a vector at that max range, however, it needs detection and guidance for that - so it can only achieve that if a vector is flying above the horizon (in radars LoS) i.e. ~ above 12.5 km altitude as you have correctly mentioned. So this max range is operationally only true for a BM.

The true operational range for 40N6 for low flying vectors such as terrain hugging CMs or tactically low flying aircraft is ~ b/w 40-70 km.

In theory, the 400 km range to shoot down a PAF Aircraft can only work if an external AEWACS is deployed at high enough altitude b/w the S400 battery and the PAF aircraft to reliably provide the mid-course updates to the missile. Usually it'll require 2 or more AEWACS assets with AESA radar as OTH radar can only detect at long range but cannot provide mid-course accurate guidance for the missile.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Taking up the scenario below:

We can only guess the game plan our enemy has for our complete and utter destruction, but it is likely to follow the game plan NATO has for Russia today.
Let's take the nuclear option first and how our enemy believes it can address the threat :
1. The enemy believes that Pakistan will never use the nuclear option because it will lose in the nuclear exchange. The damage will be only to Pakistan
2. The enemy believes that ALL land, air, and sea launched missiles with nuclear warheads launched by Pakistan will be intercepted just as every single missile and rocket launched by Pakistan in May 2025 was intercepted,
3. The enemy believes that hundreds of Brahmos missiles tipped with nuclear warheads can be launched against Pakistan with complete impunity. Pakistan will be unable to intercept any of them. All nuclear missiles launched will hit their targets, just as all missiles launched in May 2025 hit their targets,
However since a nuclear threat from Pakistan has now been eliminated Pakistan can be destroyed by a massive conventional assault. The grim reality is that the enemy believes it can win a nuclear showdown; so that makes a nuclear war inevitable.
The details of the conventional assault will be discussed in a follow up message.

with new Chinese Hypersonic Missiles, costing around 99K$, could mean limited role of fighter bomber jet role like Mirage!

for the price of 1 jet say 30M$ and running and maintenance cost, we could get at least 300 such missiles!

for a country like us, this could be a blessing

it is a significant tech. leap

 

[TAC]

Dont know why Indians keep on saying S400 can shot down Pakistani jets at max range of 400 km but today i found out that at a distance of 400km the earth curvature is 12,500 meters and at 40 km its 125 meters. So if an aircraft is flying below that curvature it will never be detected unless Indian Vedic technology radars waves can also dip along with curvature. S400 and S500 are only effective against ballistic missiles at max range since their trajectory is above 150,000 feet.

Facts like this don’t matter when you’re forced to make up stories to hide your blushes as the case for shameless Indian AC.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Dont know why Indians keep on saying S400 can shot down Pakistani jets at max range of 400 km but today i found out that at a distance of 400km the earth curvature is 12,500 meters and at 40 km its 125 meters. So if an aircraft is flying below that curvature it will never be detected unless Indian Vedic technology radars waves can also dip along with curvature. S400 and S500 are only effective against ballistic missiles at max range since their trajectory is above 150,000 feet.

You are right, but in a true IADS, targeting can be done from a different radar (eg AEW&C) to the missile battery. That is why a proper IADS setup is soo dangerous compared to stand alone SAM systems.