Hello sir,
Problem is we as a Pakistani have problem that when some external source says negative points about Pakistan. We believe them instantly. When Pakistan says something we dont believe it. See how easily a member just mentions we lost radar but what evidence has India gave before being a pakistani we are even mentioning Indian claims ?
Truth is we have their land during may and sh15 pounding was done more than Pakistan should have done as per indian expectations that caught Indians in surprise.
Modi was Bellicose while talking to trump, but instead listened to trump is pure nonsense. Since when trump press talks and claims have been so much true to be trusted at first place. He just didnt want India to feel humiliated so said it. India has always been we dont care when they decide something they do it dont care what USA says. Right now they are after sir creek and Kashmir. So that makes them literal bad guy as its no more about terrorism.
Truth is India lost more than Pakistan did and significantly and its airforce grounded. That caused the war to ceasefire.
I have been member since 2008 at I mostly listen to posts of fellow member. But I have observed that here in forum some highly decorated members always give Masala like "We cant fight long war" which is narrative of like each Pakistani in each street. There is nothing new. What is new is that we gave beating of century as we are weak "beggars" and they were 4th largest. Making Indians stall at all is marvel itself.
I have studied a lot and I have always have had very different opinion. Pakistan will never flourish economically but we will be strong in fighting and always able to defend against other powers. This is huge sacrifice. Tell me can any Arab nation or Malaysia with great economy have same level of defence against any strong military as Pakistan ? I guess not.
We have always fought country larger in military then us and yet we live without losing inch of land. We got AJK in 48. Bangladesh was never ours. Logically and technically it was not feasible. as far as I know later if 71 had not happened, bangladesh would have separated anyway. Now see we know mujeeb u rehman and his daughter ruined the bangladesh. The corruption in defense aquisition has made them so weak. I suspect India might even attack bangladesh.
Dont forget we have downed Israeli planes, soviets and Indians and technically all 3 are world powers and have huge influence in some region.
I am entitled to my opinion if someone disagrees, its ok.
The underlying issue here is the "trust gap" b/w citizens and the government - which usually pushes a Pakistani citizen to rely more on a Western report.
One can make an argument for infantry men being awarded TJs that perhaps they defended gallantly but then the question is why a Jurat Medal if they were only defending against crossfire and artillery shelling (does that even warrant a TJ) when we have SBt and TBt for such scenarios?
The more difficult position to argue against would be the SSG personnel who embraced martyrdom being awarded TJ. Does SSG personnel even man border posts?
If the trust b/w the citizen and government isn't there than an ordinary citizen may argue that the TJs awarded to PA was just to cover up because PAF victories were acknowledged by the West and there has been no mention of PA.
This is where I think PA lost in the May conflict. The events that preceded and followed, opened up space for citizens to doubt the performance of one service branch in comparison to other without realizing that neither could have been successful without the other in May.




