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TAI already upgraded PAF F-16A/B Block 15 to near Block 50/52 standard.
Notably They got
AN/APG-66(V)2A Radar with 83 km, upto 150 KM range, not the more modern AN/APG-68(V)9 Radar with 110 km - 150 km plus?
And MLU structural upgrades.

In this, major upgrade include Link-16 Data Link, AN/PYQ-10C) Simple Key Loader (SKL) cryptographic modules to carry/install cryptographic materials,
AIFF, missile handling ground equipment.

$686 is a large sum for Pakistan, but looks a large sum will be consumed in labor, training.
So both older A/B 15 MLU, and new 18 Block 50/52 will be at par operationally.
 
Spending this much amount on sustainment means PAF is defintely looking to get V kits in future. At least for the BLK52s. Probably taking time to understand how to fund these upgrades and also keep funding available for future J10CEs and/or F-35s.

Second, how to diplomatically push the upgrades to US Gov to pass through the congress. That is the big headache......and even if it passes during current government's remaing 2 years, upgrades will take at least another 2-3 years physically.
 
Thanks Oscar, spot on.
I’m also leaning toward the F-16 fleet slowly transitioning into dedicated “bomb-truck + local DCA” roles while the JF-17B3/J-10C take over the high-end air-superiority envelope.

Your point about the six inert Mk-82s being a contractual “filler line-item” to hit minimum MDE thresholds or to burn allocated FY budget is very plausible — we’ve seen that trick before in FMS cases.

Two quick things we might have missed:

1. These inert bodies could also be specifically for CMBRE (Common Munitions BIT Reprogramming Equipment) calibration and software validation of the new Operational Flight Program. Sometimes the USAF insists on using the exact same inert reference shape (Mk-82) that the original qualification was done with, even if the end-user will never drop a real Mk-82 again.

2. There is a slim chance the six bodies are tied to a quiet certification of the new GBU-39/B SDB-I on Pakistani Block-52s. The SDB uses the same BRU-61 carriage as four Mk-82-class stores, so inert Mk-82s are often used as mass/inertia surrogates during initial separation trials before live SDB drops. Food for thought.

Otherwise fully agree — this package screams “precision strike sustainment + CT-focused interoperability” rather than BVR fleet modernisation.
About CMBRE (Common Munitions BIT Reprogramming Equipment)?
every smart bomb or missile on the F-16 has a small built-in computer. Before the jet can carry or drop it, the F-16’s main computer (called the Operational Flight Program or OFP) must be able to “talk” to the bomb’s computer and run health checks.The tool that does this talking and checking is called CMBRE.


To fully test and certify the new upgraded OFP + CMBRE software, the U.S. Air Force almost always demands that you physically hang a real (inert) bomb of the exact same shape and weight that was used when the jet was originally certified decades ago — and that reference shape is almost always the classic Mk-82 500-lb body.Even if Pakistan will only drop H-4, GBU-12, or whatever in real life, the Americans still want those six dummy Mk-82s hung under the jet once or twice just to prove that the new software works exactly like the old certification runs. It’s a paperwork and safety checkbox

A future hint for GBU-39?
The GBU-39 SDB is a very small (250-lb class) GPS-guided glide bomb. Four of them are carried together on one special rack called the BRU-61.
That same BRU-61 rack was originally designed and certified to carry four normal Mk-82-sized weapons.
When any air force wants to clear the SDB on the F-16 for the first time, the safest and cheapest way to do the very first separation (release) tests is to load four inert Mk-82 bodies on the BRU-61 instead of real SDBs. The weight, center of gravity, and airflow disturbance are almost identical, so the jet “thinks” it is dropping normal bombs, but there is zero risk.

Only after those inert Mk-82 drops go perfectly do they move to live SDB drops.So if the U.S. and Pakistan are quietly preparing for future SDB integration on Block-52s, these six inert Mk-82s would be the perfect.
 
To be very frank,

These upgrades and expenditures are merely to sustain the current fleet of F-16, and no real upgrade to meet the future challenges of modern warfare. Without the V package and AIM-120D F-16 is 2nd line of defence, under the shadow of the J-10C and JF-17. By the time anything about the V package materializes, it will be too little and too late.

My personal assessment, that I was hoping for some real-time upgrades to meet the current operational needs of the Eastern Front. These upgrades are to manage Western Front.
 
Why are people upset about this deal lol. This year alone weve done more for f-16 fleet than last decade

Got 400 mln in aid approved to sustain f-16 fleet
Got included in aim-120C deal which even if doesnt result in purchase of c8/D3 we will still have upgraded our older stock of missiles
Got a 700mln deal through congress that includes massive service life improvement overhauls to last another 20 years, new software and other integrations along with updated iff

This is the final nail in the coffin of the deriders of f-16s who said they’ll soon be retired in favour of j10s and other platforms. The shaheen falcon is alive and well
 
Is there are Chances by looking amount 6 million possibility of V kits for our 18 Blk 52
 
how much spending is needed for f 16s maintenance. i mean in past we also signed the some agreement
 
Think this is just basic stuff to keep our fleet current,, if over F-16 users are using more modern comms and data links then we need these too (when our fighters are interactuing with say the Turks, Bahrainis or US on ops or exercise).

The interesting thing is the 92 Link 16 devices. Assuming the ADFs do not require this and it is only for the Block 52s and MLUs as per the notification, that is 62 planes but 92 data links?

A surplus of 30 data links.

My guess is maybe we are installing some of these into AEW and ground systems
 
Think this is just basic stuff to keep our fleet current,, if over F-16 users are using more modern comms and data links then we need these too (when our fighters are interactuing with say the Turks, Bahrainis or US on ops or exercise).

The interesting thing is the 92 Link 16 devices. Assuming the ADFs do not require this and it is only for the Block 52s and MLUs as per the notification, that is 62 planes but 92 data links?

A surplus of 30 data links.

My guess is maybe we are installing some of these into AEW and ground systems
No spares
 
Like licking Uncle Sam's feet to get a phone call from the White House for 4 years?

Grow up man, just grow up.

Nothing to do with favors or anything this is just standard updates for F-16s to keep data links and comms equipment current. This is the sort of thing US has been supplying all the time to us
 

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