Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

bravo_1 said:
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Directorate of Personal Services? 🤔

Was this issued from a high end escort club? 🥲
 
Waz said:
Long may it continue.
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Will get worse with hiring in airlines - foreign airlines prefer Indian airline pilots because they have a lot of experience in flight hours and common types and unlike Pakistani ones don’t carry the fraudulent certification baggage. Which means Indian airlines have their churn which in turn means they have shortages from their cadet school so they need to fight for the released pilots from IAF.

@Ak01 @Raider 21 @HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR
Happy to be corrected
 
Oscar said:
Will get worse with hiring in airlines - foreign airlines prefer Indian airline pilots because they have a lot of experience in flight hours and common types and unlike Pakistani ones don’t carry the fraudulent certification baggage. Which means Indian airlines have their churn which in turn means they have shortages from their cadet school so they need to fight for the released pilots from IAF.

@Ak01 @Raider 21 @HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR
Happy to be corrected
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The flying hours bit is quite interesting because I have been asked this question multiple times that Why IAF pilots have lesser hrs than PAF pilots? I don't know about this comparison and I will appreciate if someone can share data about it.
I don't know about foreign airlines but within both countries, Indians have definitely a bigger commercial aviation industry. You are right about that fraudulent license speech by the Minister in National Assembly too but it has been sorted out by outsourcing licensing exam to UK firm.
 
Oscar said:
Will get worse with hiring in airlines - foreign airlines prefer Indian airline pilots because they have a lot of experience in flight hours and common types and unlike Pakistani ones don’t carry the fraudulent certification baggage. Which means Indian airlines have their churn which in turn means they have shortages from their cadet school so they need to fight for the released pilots from IAF.

@Ak01 @Raider 21 @HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR
Happy to be corrected
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they dont have tons, i know many ex IAF pilots converting to UK licenses, really though, atleast in the UK, they will hoover anyone up with experience, so long as they have right to work.
 
HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR said:
You are right about that fraudulent license speech by the Minister in National Assembly too but it has been sorted out by outsourcing licensing exam to UK firm.
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this is kinda not a solution.

The PCAA outsourced Theory exams to the UKCAA.

This also means Pakistanis pay 110 pounds per exam (x13- but actually 26...i will explain).

But Pakistanis being Pakistanis, had to stir shit up, anyone trying to do atpl theory in Pakistan must first sit CPL exams, then ATPL ones. Makes no sense, the content is identical, but there is just a small bit of additional content in the ATPL's.

This means Pakistani's must sit 26 exams, when really, theres no need. The UKCAA doesnt even do this.

This means, they pay 1.1 million PKR just for some multiple choice exams that mean nothing. You can pass them by memorising answers.

The further issue that comes is theres no standardised training in Pak.

For most Pakistani pilots, the first time they will touch something with twin engines is an airliner.

Not to mention, they receive no multi crew training (hence the poor crm we see). They also get no independence (any hour building is done with an instructor??), there is little, or no solo time.


Compare this to EASA/UK.

If tomorrow, you wanted to become a pilot, you will get anywhere from 40-150h of SEP basic VFR flying. Of this, only 30 or so is instructional, the rest is really solo.

Then, youll either do an IR, or CPL first, either way, but your IR is typically done in DA42 in the UK, or a P2006T in europe, most popular types. So you're used to flying twins for your IR. Your CPL can be done in a complex single (once again, they dont use these in Pakistan!), so retractable gear, variable pitch props etc.

Once your skils test is complete, you need to do an APS MCC course, to get you to proper airline, multi crew standards. This means you're able to properly operate in a two crew cockpit etc.

then you're application ready.

Pakistani flight training is a shit show, its not a great place, unless its an Air force pilot, i wouldnt want to share a flight deck with them, and even then, he'll probably be super cocky and a smart arse too because once again, pakistani pilots arent typically used to multi crew operations in the way we are in the west
 
Ak01 said:
this is kinda not a solution.

The PCAA outsourced Theory exams to the UKCAA.

This also means Pakistanis pay 110 pounds per exam (x13- but actually 26...i will explain).

But Pakistanis being Pakistanis, had to stir shit up, anyone trying to do atpl theory in Pakistan must first sit CPL exams, then ATPL ones. Makes no sense, the content is identical, but there is just a small bit of additional content in the ATPL's.

This means Pakistani's must sit 26 exams, when really, theres no need. The UKCAA doesnt even do this.

This means, they pay 1.1 million PKR just for some multiple choice exams that mean nothing. You can pass them by memorising answers.

The further issue that comes is theres no standardised training in Pak.

For most Pakistani pilots, the first time they will touch something with twin engines is an airliner.

Not to mention, they receive no multi crew training (hence the poor crm we see). They also get no independence (any hour building is done with an instructor??), there is little, or no solo time.


Compare this to EASA/UK.

If tomorrow, you wanted to become a pilot, you will get anywhere from 40-150h of SEP basic VFR flying. Of this, only 30 or so is instructional, the rest is really solo.

Then, youll either do an IR, or CPL first, either way, but your IR is typically done in DA42 in the UK, or a P2006T in europe, most popular types. So you're used to flying twins for your IR. Your CPL can be done in a complex single (once again, they dont use these in Pakistan!), so retractable gear, variable pitch props etc.

Once your skils test is complete, you need to do an APS MCC course, to get you to proper airline, multi crew standards. This means you're able to properly operate in a two crew cockpit etc.

then you're application ready.

Pakistani flight training is a shit show, its not a great place, unless its an Air force pilot, i wouldnt want to share a flight deck with them, and even then, he'll probably be super cocky and a smart arse too because once again, pakistani pilots arent typically used to multi crew operations in the way we are in the west
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Ohkkk 😅 I was just replying to that fraudulent comment... I have not even asked anyone about ATPL papers and I always thought that there are 14 in total... I decided not to pursue commercial flying but that is beside the point.
The discussion was about retired IAF and PAF pilots and I am still confused about contradictory claims regarding who has more average flying hrs.
 
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