German economy is collapsing

Germany is suffering alot, and is on a downward decline because it is a manufacturing heavy country that is being displaced by China globally.

The UK has more of a hybrid economy of different sectors, so it will suffer less compared to Germany with the rise of China.

Different countries in the EU will be affected differently as time goes on, but right now, the EU share of the global trade share is decreasing while China's is increasing and that is not without consequence.

So, "was" is appropriate for Germany's future, etc.
Exactly the opposite. China's industrial chain is protecting the only remaining large enterprises in Germany, and China is now a refuge for German companies.

You can go to Taicang County, Jiangsu Province, China to take a look. German companies are all taking refuge there. There are currently 568 German companies in Taicang County, among which 18 of the top 20 German companies are located in Taicang County. These German companies are using China's industrial chain to sustain their survival.
 
Over reliance on
- American tech and market
- Chinese production strength
- Foreign fuel that was cheap deu to manipulation of German allies.

Now
- Chinese themselves are a power and they are pushing for more and more exports. German tech is getting kicked from everywhere.
- US market is already shrinking.
- Wars on middle east can't bring fuel to become more cheaper ( or free).
- Forget about Russia, it will not surrender her resources but may be soon Russia will wage wars on eastern Europe, specially on Poland ( only then Poland will know the benefits of having a large Muslim population in their country). If Russia invaded Germany I will be on front to fight the red army.

What can save German economy:
- Work on fusion tech and bring clean and abundant energy in market. Don't make it free, but super cheap.
- Normalize with Russia, if can't, at least don't wage wars on Russia.
- Use China as you were using USA before.
- Bring the interest rates to minimum. Industry will start breathing again.
- Make learning German absolutely free and extensive. This will help Germany in tapping the talent that is still unexplored.
- Stop chasing cheap ( labour and anything: it has severe side effects).
- Let people work indefinitely ( so that minimum pension is paid). Decrease hours after 60.
- Accept Islam as one of officially accepted religion. This will increase Muslim sentiment more leaned towards Germany.
- Stop accepting useless asylum seekers. They are either going somewhere else or in sea.
- Chip tech + Quantum tech should be fully designed and manufacturable in Germany. We already have acquired Mentor graphics, all we need is to expand align our goals. Next step full indepence.
- Save you chemical and mechanical industries at all costs.
- Bring tax to lowest. The lower cap on tax should be increased.
- Last but most important: the laws regarding marital affairs should be changed so that men are not afraid of marriages. Make marriages easy and divorce super easy. So that men don't see women as predators. This will help establishing the institution of marriage again. The institution that made Germany what Germany was. So the most important step is to restablish the German fabric of society.

I hope someone from German power circles is listening to me.
Germany will just do what is its nature: facism. You forget that feudalism is still at the core of European countries and these countries will revert back to their original self. These regimes will start milking their own citizens.
 
The German economy may be stagnant but collapsing sounds like sensationalism. Germany, without reforms, could remain economically stagnant like Japan has been since the 90's.

One change the Germans are bringing in is building up their military and MIC sector.
 
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Collapsing is a bit strong. Going through tough times is more apt IMO.
Germany has resilience and depth of strength.
To be wiped out 75 years ago - to be cut in half and pay so much retribution and still be in the position they are today is a noteworthy status.
Germany i believe are in a stronger position than the rest of Europe.
China and globalization was always going to take his toll.
Lets wait for the next chapter of the German economy success......
I completely see your point of view, but the circumstances are deteriorating by the day. At this moment, there is no concept, suggestion, initiative, or vision for the future of the German eeconomy. We have incompetent leaders who spend all the resources on pensioners just to win the next election.

German economy in 'deepest crisis' in 80 years, says industry group


This is the worst crisis since WWII. The German economy is stuck in 2018. Basically no meaningful growth since 2018.

It's not just the automobile industry that is closing down. It's a general trend throughout Germany's industry.

Chemical and Pharmaceutical companies are either downsizing production or leaving the country all together:

 
Exactly the opposite. China's industrial chain is protecting the only remaining large enterprises in Germany, and China is now a refuge for German companies.

You can go to Taicang County, Jiangsu Province, China to take a look. German companies are all taking refuge there. There are currently 568 German companies in Taicang County, among which 18 of the top 20 German companies are located in Taicang County. These German companies are using China's industrial chain to sustain their survival.
China is ruining Germany.

Germany is currently facing tough times. People are extremely concerned, and there has been no growth since 2018/19.

Now, German exports to China are falling because the Chinese have developed their own technology and no longer require German products. In addition, German companies have relocated to China for obvious reasons.

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Exactly the opposite. China's industrial chain is protecting the only remaining large enterprises in Germany, and China is now a refuge for German companies.

You can go to Taicang County, Jiangsu Province, China to take a look. German companies are all taking refuge there. There are currently 568 German companies in Taicang County, among which 18 of the top 20 German companies are located in Taicang County. These German companies are using China's industrial chain to sustain their survival.

Germany companies/enterprises is very different from the German economy. German companies pursue the interests of their share holders, which is profit. When you hear of Volkswagen shuttering manufacturing at factors in Dresden entirely and setting up factories in China, that is not helping German Citizens, or the Germany government or Germany as a whole.

These organisations run very efficiently managed financial flows so that their share holders benefit the most, and not the German exchequer or people or economy.

The conversation is about the Germany Economy, which is a function of Germany companies operating in Germany, employing German citizens and paying German corporation taxes, as well as employees paying to the state. When German enterprises take refugee in China, all that ecosystem starts breaking down which affects the economy!!
 
The German economy may be stagnant but collapsing sounds like sensationalism. Germany, without reforms, could remain economically stagnant like Japan has been since the 90's.

One change the Germans are bringing in is building up their military and MIC sector.

The problem is they don't have the population for it anymore

All the militaries in Europe need to increase their army sizes

The UK for example is a pitiful 80,000 soldiers

And to increase that they need 100,000 to 200,000 new soldiers at a minimum in a ageing population

If they take a further 200,000 young and healthy workers out of the economy then they have to replace them with migrants



These people especially In Europe don't understand their ailments, so they are trying to pin everything on migration when they have serious serious structural flaws
 

The European Commission has watered down its plans to ban the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2035.

Current rules state that new vehicles sold from that date should be "zero emission", but carmakers, particularly in Germany, have lobbied heavily for concessions.

Under the European Commission's new plan, 90% of new cars sold from 2035 would have to be zero-emission, rather than 100%.

According to the European carmakers association, ACEA, market demand for electric cars is currently too low, and without a change to the rules, manufacturers would risk "multi-billion euro" penalties.
The remaining 10% could be made up of conventional petrol or diesel cars, along with hybrids.


Carmakers will be expected to use low-carbon steel made in the EU in the vehicles they produce.

The Commission also expects an increase in the use of biofuels and so-called e-fuels, which are synthesised from captured carbon dioxide, to compensate for the extra emissions created by petrol and diesel vehicles.

Opponents of the move have warned that it risks undermining the transition towards electric vehicles and leaving the EU exposed in the face of foreign competition.

The green transport group T&E has warned that the UK should not follow the EU's lead by weakening its own plans to phase out the sale of conventional cars under the Zero Emission Vehicles Mandate.

"The UK must stand firm. Our ZEV mandate is already driving jobs, investment and innovation into the UK. As major exporters we cannot compete unless we innovate, and global markets are going electric fast," said T&E UK's director Anna Krajinska.

Ahead of the announcement, Sigrid de Vries, director general at ACEA, said that "flexibility" for manufacturers was "urgent".

"2030 is around the corner, and market demand is too low to avoid the risk of multi-billion-euro penalties for manufacturers," she said.

"It will take time to build the charging points and introduce fiscal and purchase incentives to get the market on track. Policy makers must provide breathing space to manufacturers to sustain jobs, innovation and investments."

Carmakers in the UK have previously called for better incentives to encourage drivers to buy electric ahead of the government's planned ban on sales of new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2030.

Firms across the world have been changing their production lines and investing billions as governments try to persuade people to drive greener cars to meet environmental targets.

Volvo said it had "built a complete EV portfolio in less than 10 years" and was prepared to go fully electric, using hybrids as a transition. It argued if it can move away from petrol and diesel vehicles, other companies should be able to as well.

The carmaker said: "Weakening long-term commitments for short-term gain risks undermining Europe's competitiveness for years to come.

"A consistent and ambitious policy framework, as well as investments in public infrastructure, is what will deliver real benefits for customers, for the climate, and for Europe's industrial strength."

However, German carmaker Volkswagen welcomed the European Commission's draft proposal on new CO₂ targets, calling it "economically sound overall".

It said: "The fact that small electric vehicles are to receive special support in future is very positive. It is extremely important that the CO₂ targets for 2030 are made more flexible for passenger cars and adjusted for light commercial vehicles.

"Opening up the market to vehicles with combustion engines while compensating for emissions is pragmatic and in line with market conditions."

Colin Walker, head of transport at the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit (ECIU) think tank, said the UK having "stable policy" would give companies the confidence to invest in charging infrastructure and avoid "jeopardising investments".

"It was government policy that saw Sunderland chosen to build Nissan's original electric Leaf, and today the latest Nissan EV has started rolling off the production lines in the North East, securing jobs for years to come," he said.

Octopus Electric Vehicles chief executive Fiona Howarth warned that if the UK reduced its goals because of changes in Brussels, it would send a "damaging signal to investors, manufacturers and supply-chain partners".

Many of these groups have already invested heavily in the transition "on the assumption the UK would stay the course," she said.
 
Germany wealth comes from best engineers and products for last 100 years
Huge manufacturing base third to USA and china globally
99.9% of the world would swop places in heart
beat .
Beautifully scenic and stunning looking people
 
China is ruining Germany.

Germany is currently facing tough times. People are extremely concerned, and there has been no growth since 2018/19.

Now, German exports to China are falling because the Chinese have developed their own technology and no longer require German products. In addition, German companies have relocated to China for obvious reasons.

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Manufacturing wise, China has not only defeated Germany, but also defeated the US and Japan from the western camp.

Germany should learn how to adapt the new world, and the good ole days are not coming back according to their own chancellor.
 
Germany will just do what is its nature: facism. You forget that feudalism is still at the core of European countries and these countries will revert back to their original self. These regimes will start milking their own citizens.
People don't realize how the europeans have fooled the world, they have just replaced the word fascism with the words far right, same shit just a different name and upgraded modus operandi.
 

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