Indian Bondi beach shooters INDIAN nationals/origin as well Fake lies exposed. Lessons to be learnt!
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Auqab13
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It seems very false flaggy, the son has been on their radar. It's the same story over and over again. If it's not, Muslim communities in the west need to do a better job extinguishing these fires before they burn down the entire building. Instead we sit and wait to be used and be made a scapegoat.
Starlord
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I used to listen to Moeed Pirzada, but he just went too nuts after the arrest of IK, I understand his criticism of Army and Govt of Pakistan, but him sucking up to Indians and now become as unhinged as Adil Raja.
diaspora
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Moeed and Adil Raja are anti-Pakistan. It's as simple as that.
samsite84
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What has this have to do with a muslim of Indian origin killing Jews in Australia?
The rise of say Hindutva in India is fueling rise in Islamic fundamentalism who are getting revenge in Australia? Ain't too far fetched?
Goenitz
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It was a response to extremism/fundamentalism. Yes, once a person/nation is tuned to extremism, then its citizens can erupt anywhere for any random/'righteous' cause they have.
Muji.Iqbal
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You are absolutely right @Waz bhai. These Indi/ots really need a reality check.This really needs a thread of its own. After more digging around by journalists and smaller news agencies it has been established that the father is an Indian national and his son is of mixed parentage Indian/Italian.
One of the Bondi Beach attackers was an Indian citizen who last visited Hyderabad in 2022: police
Indian national Sajid Akram, involved in Bondi Beach attack, last visited Hyderabad in 2022, say officials.www.thehindu.com
Now a few things we need too take note of us as Pakistanis;
1. The narrative built on social media that the attackers were Pakistani. Hundreds of thousands of Indian social media accounts on X, TikTok, Instagram went into overdrive mode, putting out information that the attackers were Pakistani, and also heaped on even more muck e.g. Pakistan produces terrorists and nothing else. Afghan nationalists accounts, although far fewer abetted this narrative.
Our social media accounts need to combat this and although we have the numbers to match up, we are still not as coordinated as the Indian nationalist accounts. We need to organise better.
2. The acceptance of Indian nationalist lies as facts. News agencies such as ABC literally have amateurs working for them, and took the narrative from social media as fact. Earlier on if you remember Indian posters here had put up snippets of articles referring to the both attackers being of Pakistani origin, and how the father was from Lahore. If you used AI to find the source of such statements it would always turn up Indian social media accounts.
Pakistanis need to contact such organisations and hold them to account for their poor fact checking.
3. The rational Pakistanis who waited for facts. I must say I am proud of you guys, and fortunately for us we made up the majority. Never give in to the popular narrative and wait for more information. Some of our own people were sending our name to the gallows even when nothing was really known. Look at the Indian media accounts, including their national news organisations, more deflection more denial.
These guys defend their stance to the end. Pakistanis need to have a sense of self respect here.
4. How much the Indian government knew. A number of Pakistani posters pointed out that they found the silence of Indian government, even state channels strange. People discussed how something didn't seem right. It was obvious they knew both attackers were of Indian origin and shows their intelligence is very good. Pakistani government officials couldn't even come out with a response and were left wondering if the dude actually did come from Lahore.
Never underestimate India, they know more than you think.
In this day and age where misinformation can be spread quickly. Even I was about to apologize thinking in the beginning they were Pakistani or even Afghanistani origin, when the terrorists are actually Indian origin.
But it turns out they were Indian origin. Now the Indian media is saying they are Australian citizens, blah, blah, check NDTV.
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Oscar
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This will be ignored and dismissed by the much larger social media population that also engages in unmatched groupthink.
Indians are the origin story of mob mentality - do you think they will allow anything contrary to their established story to come to light?
Their kin in Reuters wants to move onto Islamic extremism and ISIS, other western media sources moving onto Gun laws.
The way Indians have learnt to participate in mass gargle,spit and swallow over the rise of Hindutva cannot be matched by Pakistanis even in perfect coordination - let alone the divided state due to political differences,
Indians are the origin story of mob mentality - do you think they will allow anything contrary to their established story to come to light?
Their kin in Reuters wants to move onto Islamic extremism and ISIS, other western media sources moving onto Gun laws.
The way Indians have learnt to participate in mass gargle,spit and swallow over the rise of Hindutva cannot be matched by Pakistanis even in perfect coordination - let alone the divided state due to political differences,
samsite84
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It was a response to extremism/fundamentalism. Yes, once a person/nation is tuned to extremism, then its citizens can erupt anywhere for any random/'righteous' cause they have.
Ok. So a Indian Muslim who emigrated to Australia in 1998 became a victim (physically or mentally) of Hindutva extremism due to which he traveled to Philippines to seek training in arms and murdered innocent Jews on the beach in the country which he now calls home. Also, the extent of angst was such that he either coerced or encouraged his son to partner him.
Occam's razor doesn't give good odds to the theory...
vasanthm
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People here can say whatever they want, but facts are facts. Australians were attacked, and it wasn’t because of Indian media or Hindutva narratives, it was Islamist ideology, plain and simple.
When was the last time you saw a brainwashed Hindu, or even some hardcore Hindutva guy, go to a foreign country and start shooting random civilians in the name of religion? It basically doesn’t happen.
Most people everywhere just want to live normal, peaceful lives, regardless of religion. But there’s a real and uncomfortable pattern where a small fringe from otherwise normal Muslim backgrounds gets radicalised and ends up carrying out these attacks. It’s something non Islamic societies obviously worry about.
Dismissing all of this as groupthink is just a way to avoid dealing with the actual problem. And honestly, pretending it doesn’t exist only hurts peaceful Muslims the most in the long run.
Muji.Iqbal
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What about Gandhi being killed by a Hindu extremist? It has happened before.
vasanthm
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How common is it for a non Islamic, otherwise normal individual to shoot group of random civilians in a foreign country?
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Watandar
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Very common in America and other countries.
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