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[HAIDER]

Even if the case against Imran was legit, there was no need for such cases. Plenty other potentially legit reasons to target Imran starting with his obvious violation of the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the No Confidence Motion in 2022 and then his involvement in the May 9, 2023 Mutiny.
The Toshakana and the so-called 'Iddat' case as well as the Al Qadir Trust cases are a waste of time and take away credibility of the charges against Imran.
It seems the Pakistani state is too stupid and/or too lenient.

Govt is not stupid , they already lost those cases. This is last flimsy case, like Zia dictator involve Bhutto in some unknown murder charges and hang him with the approval of that time US administration.

 

[PakAl]

you are so blinded by hate and hypocrisy, that you envious heart cant see that a person can sell his own possessions whenever he wants to.. what low lifer cooked up charge you are trying to legitimize with your post… shame on you and your mind

The gifts were given to PM Imran Khan by foreign nations, he is allowed to either buy them at cheap price or allow the military secretary to keep them safe and MS will then sell them on. The reason PM can buy them at cheap price is because the gift is for him. Any issues change the law in the parliament but noone will buy them at full price, in the auction they may sell for peanuts.

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[VCheng]

Even if the case against Imran was legit, there was no need for such cases. Plenty other potentially legit reasons to target Imran starting with his obvious violation of the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the No Confidence Motion in 2022 and then his involvement in the May 9, 2023 Mutiny.
The Toshakana and the so-called 'Iddat' case as well as the Al Qadir Trust cases are a waste of time and take away credibility of the charges against Imran.
It seems the Pakistani state is too stupid and/or too lenient.

Any case that that the potential to result in significant consequences is not flimsy by definition.

 

[Meengla]

Govt is not stupid , they already lost those cases. This is last flimsy case, like Zia dictator involve Bhutto in some unknown murder charges and hang him with the approval of that time US administration.

I don't think legal proceedings against Imran were even initiated for him violating the Const. of Pakistan when he, his Speaker and his President of Pakistan blantantly violated the laws. That was certainly an Open and Shut case, may or may not be 'treason' level but certainly a violation of the laws. And I tend to think Imran was allowed to get away with that because Bajwa, wrongly, thought to not be too harsh on Imran, hoping to let the straws fall where they would and Imran would reconcile to sit in the Opposition benches. That was one more error the Establishment of Pakistan made about Imran: Misjudging his character again.
As to Bhutto and America: I don't think Americans had much say in Bhutto's fate, despite what the PPP people say with their conspiracies about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and how Bhutto might have defied the Americans' request to help against the Soviets. Bhutto was sentenced to death in 1978 and hanged in April 1979 and Americans, along with many world govts, asked Zia to be merciful but they all failed. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan didn't start until late December 1979. And Pakistan's nuclear program continued despite who was leading Pakistan--Bhutto or Zia.

Which brings me to say again: What happened between Bhutto and Zia was Pakistan's own internal power game, just like what happened between Imran and the Establishment. No blaming America for that except it greatly helped Imran to sell his bogus 'narrative' for a year by blaming America.

 

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[Meengla]

Any case that that the potential to result in significant consequences is not flimsy by definition.

Why go for the questionable charges when you have a 'low hanging' fruit like the violation of the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the No Confidence Motion? You, like me, live in America and must have noticed the consequences for President Trump when he was refusing to leave the White House in January 2021 because he thought the 2020 elections were 'stolen' from him. He would have been dragged out of the WH by the US Marshalls if need be as that would be an Open and Shut case of violating the laws. Same was with Imran in 2022 when he violated the Const. of Pakistan.
People here and in much of Pakistan's media just don't give enough consideration to how easy it was to nab Imran when he violated the Const. of Pakistan: HIm, his Speaker, and his President: All guilty. The justification for throwing out the NCM was publicly given that a foreign power [America] was causing the No Confidence Motion; a claim so bogus that Imran himself later denied that.

 

[PakAl]

He'll either be out or decide to leave the country after the next elections in 2029 I reckon.

I still don't understand why he sold those gifts? There is video evidence, its clear as day. He knew they were watching his every move.

As long as he paid for them at the price set by the Military Secretary/Toshakana, then he is the legal owner, he can sell them, gift them to anyone he likes.

 

[VCheng]

Why go for the questionable charges when you have a 'low hanging' fruit like the violation of the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the No Confidence Motion?

Those "low hanging fruit" are actually potentially deadly for IK. This is not, only incarceration and fines. May be that is why?

 

[Meengla]

Those "low hanging fruit" are actually potentially deadly for IK. This is not, only incarceration and fines. May be that is why?

Nah, gone are the days of killing top leadership. Pakistan can't bear the bodies of Bhutto and Akbar Bugti to this day.
I think by not implicating Imran for violating the Const. of Pakistan in such an Open and Shut case like throwing out the NCM, the state of Pakistan showed stupidity or too much leniency. He could have--and should have been--thrown into a prison right there and then. No more a year of spreading his bogus 'narrative' to become popular--he never was that popular otherwise he could have used his Early Elections option by early 2022. You know that ZAB felt popular enough to call Early Elections in 1976--and he was indeed popular.

 

[VCheng]

Nah, gone are the days of killing top leadership. Pakistan can't bear the bodies of Bhutto and Akbar Bugti to this day.
I think by not implicating Imran for violating the Const. of Pakistan in such an Open and Shut case like throwing out the NCM, the state of Pakistan showed stupidity or too much leniency. He could have--and should have been--thrown into a prison right there and then. No more a year of spreading his bogus 'narrative' to become popular--he never was that popular otherwise he could have used his Early Elections option by early 2022. You know that ZAB felt popular enough to call Early Elections in 1976--and he was indeed popular.

Let us wait and see. That is all I can say at this time.

It is clear to me that it is up to IK to decide how he may wish to proceed at this stage. Let us be patient for him to make his decision evident, as and when he may wish to do so.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb @VCheng sb

There can be good reasons for the Establishment to not implicate IK in cases which can be serious and result in permanent disqualification or worse. After all some day MNS or Maryam may gain control of PMLN and the Federal Govt in which case it will be useful to have IK as a backup option to keep the Federal Govt honest.

Regards

 

[Meengla]

It is clear to me that it is up to IK to decide how he may wish to proceed at this stage. Let us be patient for him to make his decision evident, as and when he may wish to do so.

Of course it is up to Imran and you have been saying that all the time. Problem is that the guy doesn't listen to anyone. Personality traits of arrogance and stupidity! He had/has many competent, seasoned advisors but they are all baffled by Imran's stubborness: Imran's options are greatly reduced. Short of a catastrophic defeat against India like 1971 or intense American pressure, there is no way I see Imran's fortunes getting better. And those two options are only a remote possibility.

 

[Goenitz]

In Pakistan, you can kill 2 girls while speeding and being underage but get free. While a flimsy case where the price evaluator backtracked his statement is worthy to punish for 17 years. I think IK wd have been given 100 years for that.

 

[VCheng]

In Pakistan, you can kill 2 girls while speeding and being underage but get free. While a flimsy case where the price evaluator backtracked his statement is worthy to punish for 17 years. I think IK wd have been given 100 years for that.

Thank Gen Zia for the laws he made that makes going free after causing a death, as well all the other arcane laws that have been added or amended since that time, to be enforced as an when needed.

That is the Pakistani way of justice.

 

[Meengla]

There can be good reasons for the Establishment to not implicate IK in cases which can be serious and result in permanent disqualification or worse. After all some day MNS or Maryam may gain control of PMLN and the Federal Govt in which case it will be useful to have IK as a backup option to keep the Federal Govt honest.

No political party, no one in Establishment trusts Imran to follow any agreement. At most, a PTI minus Imran could be used to make the PPP and the PMLN behave but Imran would never be trusted by anyone to be in command. I know I sound harsh but I and others have dissected Imran's psychology and have to conclude he is a genuine psychopath like Nawaz and Altaf Hussein.