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sachi baat hai

 

[imadul]

Imran Khan is paying the price for Gaza. Asim Munir asked the US establishment if they would help to finish Khan, he would help them in Gaza.

I think this is Zia like deception.
Gaza and Palestine are a deep religious issue also.
There is definitely some quid pro quo like afg, terrorism, even rare earths, but Palestine is a serious issue.

 

[PakAl]

Saad Rafique also calling for dialogue. He mentioned if all Pakistani PMs traitors? From Bhutto, Benazir, Nawaz, Imran Khan.

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[imadul]

Does not look IK is getting any wiser.
He is so removed from reality.
National and internation political, strategic, and commercial landscape has changed.
The dude is so lost in his defiance.

 

[VCheng]

Does not look IK is getting any wiser.
He is so removed from reality.
National and internation political, strategic, and commercial landscape has changed.
The dude is so lost in his defiance.

We should not judge him so. He is a wise man who knows what to do, and we must trust his decisions to be the best for him. After all, he has the right to make decisions for himself, whatever he wishes.

 

[Meengla]

Does not look IK is getting any wiser.
He is so removed from reality.
National and internation political, strategic, and commercial landscape has changed.
The dude is so lost in his defiance.

Right. Again, I saw a couple of senior Pakistani analysts recently saying that all Imran had to do upon losing the NCM in April 2022 was to walk across the aisle, become the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly. He had a large presence in the National Assembly and in the Punjab Assembly and control of the K-P govt. Per one of those analysts, Imran would have forced the PDM govt to resign in six months and call elections. The PDM was far less united then now. But Imran's 'defiance' or stupidity did him in. I very carefully and responsibly and repeatedly accuse Imran of being 'Arrogant' and 'Stupid'.
And, as @VCheng always says: 'Actions have consequences.' Going forward: IMO, Imran is done and dusted and only a catastrophic military defeat like 1971 against India or intense America pressure could turn improve Imran's fortunes. That much is clear to me.

 

[imadul]

Right. Again, I saw a couple of senior Pakistani analysts recently saying that all Imran had to do upon losing the NCM in April 2022 was to walk across the aisle, become the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly. He had a large presence in the National Assembly and in the Punjab Assembly and control of the K-P govt. Per one of those analysts, Imran would have forced the PDM govt to resign in six months and call elections. The PDM was far less united then now. But Imran's 'defiance' or stupidity did him in. I very carefully and responsibly and repeatedly accuse Imran of being 'Arrogant' and 'Stupid'.
And, as @VCheng always says: 'Actions have consequences.' Going forward: IMO, Imran is done and dusted and only a catastrophic military defeat like 1971 against India or intense America pressure could turn improve Imran's fortunes. That much is clear to me.

I have to agree with you, though GRUDGINGLY
(Actually fully, silently )

 

[imadul]

We should not judge him so. He is a wise man who knows what to do, and we must trust his decisions to be the best for him. After all, he has the right to make decisions for himself, whatever he wishes.

For him yes, but he has stalled his party (not sure you are being sarcastic ).
Dude cannot realize, change is the only constant in the world.
I feel lots of sympathy for him, but he is responsible for the impass.
Overseas in USA-CA-UK planning a visit to Pak to align with PTI movement, I told the group convener, I am not available for more of the same.
In 2023 we collected $100K+ to support the movement, I don't think there is momentum this time.

 

[Cash gk]

I think this is Zia like deception.
Gaza and Palestine are a deep religious issue also.
There is definitely some quid pro quo like afg, terrorism, even rare earths, but Palestine is a serious issue.

They will face consequences

Does not look IK is getting any wiser.
He is so removed from reality.
National and internation political, strategic, and commercial landscape has changed.
The dude is so lost in his defiance.

Are you saying that Imran Khan is not wise because he refuses to forgive and compromise over the brutal murder of journalist Arshad Sharif?
Are you suggesting that it would be “wisdom” for Imran Khan to forgive the mass killing of Pakistanis in front of Parliament House, and then move on as if nothing happened?
And after that, should he also be “wise” enough to accept the stolen mandate of 250 million people of Pakistan?
Is this what you call wisdom and compromise that Imran Khan should forgive murderers, ignore injustice, and legitimise stolen power?
If that is your definition of wisdom, then shame on you.

 

[VCheng]

And, as @VCheng always says: 'Actions have consequences.'

Of course. Just like I respect IK's right to make decisions, I also understand he alone must bear the consequences of whatever actions he decides upon.

(As we can see already.)

 

[VCheng]

For him yes, but he has stalled his party.
Dude cannot realize, change is the only constant in the world.
I feel lots of sympathy for him, but he is responsible for the impass.
Overseas in USA-CA-UK planning a visit to Pak to align with PTI movement, I told the group convener, I am not available for more of the same.
In 2023 we collected $100K+ to support the movement, I don't think there is momentum this time.

But you assume here he is capable of thinking beyond himself.

 

[imadul]

They will face consequences
Are you saying that Imran Khan is not wise because he refuses to forgive and compromise over the brutal murder of journalist Arshad Sharif?
Are you suggesting that it would be “wisdom” for Imran Khan to forgive the mass killing of Pakistanis in front of Parliament House, and then move on as if nothing happened?
And after that, should he also be “wise” enough to accept the stolen mandate of 250 million people of Pakistan?
Is this what you call wisdom and compromise that Imran Khan should forgive murderers, ignore injustice, and legitimise stolen power?
If that is your definition of wisdom, then shame on you.

Right. Again, I saw a couple of senior Pakistani analysts recently saying that all Imran had to do upon losing the NCM in April 2022 was to walk across the aisle, become the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly. He had a large presence in the National Assembly and in the Punjab Assembly and control of the K-P govt. Per one of those analysts, Imran would have forced the PDM govt to resign in six months and call elections. The PDM was far less united then now. But Imran's 'defiance' or stupidity did him in. I very carefully and responsibly and repeatedly accuse Imran of being 'Arrogant' and 'Stupid'.
And, as @VCheng always says: 'Actions have consequences.' Going forward: IMO, Imran is done and dusted and only a catastrophic military defeat like 1971 against India or intense America pressure could turn improve Imran's fortunes. That much is clear to me.

@Meengla has beautiful summarized it.
It is a whole set of sequences that have led to the current stonewalling for PTI and IK.
National and internation, political, strategic landscape has completely changed. To be successful, sometimes one has to take several steps back.

 

[Meengla]

@Meengla has beautiful summarized it.
It is a whole set of sequences that have led to the current stonewalling for PTI and IK.
National and internation, political, strategic landscape has completely changed. To be successful, sometimes one has to take several steps back.

You all can go back to my posts right around the NCM Vote in April 2022. I haven't not changed those posts. They are in the old PDF. I was an Imran supporter then but I KNEW he was making a horrible mistake about the NCM but the mistake he did about the NCM and the mistakes he continued to make after that have sealed his fate. I stopped supporting him shortly after his NCM blunder and in fact got into several heated exchanges with his supporters over my change of heart about Imran.
I am seldom wrong

 

[imadul]

But you assume here he is capable of thinking beyond himself.

We give, to people their time ...
We are not fortune tellers.
But politics is a dynamic thing
He seem to be engrossed within himself. I expect he can come to reality, but regime has blocked free access to outside world. That is also a big factor. May be they want to make an example of him like ZAB. ZAB was also kept pretty much in isolation.