Venezuela - US Conflict: News, Updates

[SolarWarden]

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Not far from the truth.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[ety]

The Chinese AD radars have been proved sub optimal time and again. Waiting to see how Taiwan invasion stacks up, since US has high stakes in Taiwan.

Few funny people on the forum think VZ army with one piece Chinese AD radar specifically JY-27A installed, the VZ military could defeat the onslaught of the full might of US military with full range of advanced weapons, lol. Is there such good thing in this world ? Besides, you don't know how the radar was operated and there were reportedly moles within VZ military.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Sept 11, 2001 was dishonorable. Unfair, yes. But primarily dishonorable if YOU want to bring in the morality angle.

Now, I will give that the Pentagon is a legitimate target, maybe even include the WH and the Congress, but the WTC towers were dishonorable.

Well, you brought up the point that when using military means then you are allowed to be unfair and you mentioned that my statement of US action being morally corrupt / dishonorable act doesn't mean anything for the military. My point was absolutely clear that US used a dishonorable act as element of surprise to gain success in this mission. Maduro as head of state of sovereign nation never expected to be abducted so he had few normal guards protecting his residence. US can beat Venezuela military vs military everybody knew. But this op wasn't that. This was an abduction op and was successful only because no one prepares of head of states to be kidnapped by another country.

Objectives of US military vs Al-qaeda
As far as Al-qaeda is concerned, it still can't beat US military in mass murder and dishonorable acts ever. First of all we have to see objectives. What are the objectives of a militia for a specific op. US media never discussed why those 9/11 bombers took their own lives when they flew into pentagon and wtc. what were their demands, what message they wanted to put across. Al-qaeda had only one demand asking US bases / forces to leave arab world. Those forces act like you are pointing a gun at someone all the times and can bully any nation around (including the host) and keep stealing their resources. Compare Al-qaeda's objective & demands with US objectives, that to go & STEAL other nation's oil & resources. So who's demands are more just? US goes for stealing resources, regime change and bringing obedient puppets who let their nation subdue in front of total hegemony.

Tactics
Alqaeda used your tactics on you (being unfair, element of surprise) to achieve success in their mission. It was tragic & unfortunate for WTC victims & passengers onboard but again how many hundreds and thousands of innocent people US has murdered in "collateral damage" in Iraq and Afghanistan. There's not even any comparison. US has bombed funerals where 100s of people are in attendance just to kill one guy. Its a custom in Afghanistan, Pak all over islamic world to attend funeral if its happening regardless of whoever, many attendees may not even know each other but you have done most murderous, dishonorable acts. Recent mass murder of 50,000+ Gazans also enabled by US as US kept supplying weapons to IDF and only US was backing Israel while whole of the other world, including UN kept screaming to stop. Whatever I have written is not even a glimpse of evil trail that US has left anywhere it goes. Its not even a summary and btw its all known even good american commentators accept wrongdoings of their military campaigns & acknowledge the campaigns for stealing oil & resources. You were in Iraq & Venezuela just to steal that country's resources. You weren't there for Iraqis or for any nobel rescue mission. That's how the world is unfortunately.

 

[PakFactor]

I don't think there was ever a deal, unless you are talking about the US actively helping Russia in Ukraine

As I said before in the Ukrainian thread, the US lost the power to dictate terms in Ukraine when the American pull out the aid to it, now it's been solelya European responsibility for over 21 months now (The last US aid package to Ukraine passed on April 2024). I mean, Zelenskyy can just say no and tell Trump to Frack off, I mean, he wouldn't because he is a diplomat, but he can literally say that to Trump face, and there is nothing Trump can really do except sending the US troops to fight for Russia. I mean, you can threaten to withdraw aid when you already did....You can't bleed the rock twice.

On the other hand, Russia can't take Eastern Ukraine by the time Trump leaves office, it's 18 months and a half since they set foot on Pokrovsk proper, and they still not managed to take the town, it's gonna take them WAY, WAY longer to take both Kramatosk and Sloviansk, and to some degree I don't think there is a real chance Russia would be able to take Kostiantynivka (which is between their axis of Advance and Kramatosk) by the end of 2028 if the same situation presist. I will say the chance the Russian be able to take Kostiantynivka is less than 50%

So Putin knows Trump is holding nothing over Ukraine, and Trump knows Putin can't take the entire Donbas before he leaves office. So what kind of deal would they be able to make in Venezuela?

You make a valid point. I will have to think this through.

 

[Viet]

Russia FM just recently has said publicly that Russia will support China at any cost as agreed in their treaty if there is a war break out between China and Japan/US over Taiwan, it is the same for China, it will come to Russia's aid if US/NATO invade Russia. Russia and China are informal allies esp against US hegemony, that's good enough for China.

That’s delusional by Lavrov. The Russians can’t save Venezuela how they can save China? Did he do anything to save Iran, Syria?
Putin’s endgame is the destruction of Ukraine. For this dream he will sacrifice millions Russians. There will be just few men remaining in Russia when the war is over. Taiwan is too far. That’s not on his menu.

 

[ety]

That’s delusional by Lavrov. The Russians can’t save Venezuela how they can save China?
Putin’s endgame is the destruction of Ukraine. For this dream he will sacrifice millions Russians. There will be just few men remaining in Russia when the war is over. Taiwan is too far. That’s not on his menu.

VZ is too far away from Russia outside Russian military power projection as the same with Chinese military. Japan and US military bases sit next to Russia landmass within hundreds of miles away. Russia can inflict huge damages on them. Besides, Russian huge stockpile of nukes are useful to calm down US from going nuts. After Ukraine war, Russia will be largely intact as proven by now. Your wishes on Russia are unrealistic.

 

[Sam6536]

That’s delusional by Lavrov. The Russians can’t save Venezuela how they can save China? Did he do anything to save Iran, Syria?
Putin’s endgame is the destruction of Ukraine. For this dream he will sacrifice millions Russians. There will be just few men remaining in Russia when the war is over. Taiwan is too far. That’s not on his menu.

Russians are more likely to form a sort of understanding with the Americans on the sidelines. Trump's actions have proved that the defence of Europe lies with Europe and that America is effectively signalling that it won't meddle much in Eastern European affairs. Russians are more white than they are Asians, MAGA and Putin over lap in their global hegemony plans.

Anyways it's all words for now. We'll see how the spheres of influence cold war theory works in practicality. Might makes right is the motto everywhere again.

US just pulled out of 62 global organisations and is ramping up it's logistical and weapon facilities globally.

The conflict around Taiwan would be more "hot" compared to Trump's predecessors. If Trump can invade a nation for its oil and keeping petro dollar hegemony intact no way he will serve the Chinese 80% of world's hi tech semiconductor technologies on a platter.

Japan is also syncing militarily with the Americans.

Inside US Plans to reopen WWII air bases for war with China

The United States is expanding "air corridors" that will deliver combat power to China's doorstep in a future conflict.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Viet]

VZ is too far away from Russia outside Russian military power projection as the same with Chinese military. Japan and US military bases sit next to Russia landmass within hundreds of miles away. Russia can inflict huge damages on them. Besides, Russian huge stockpile of nukes are useful to calm down US from going nuts. After Ukraine war, Russia will be largely intact as proven by now. Your wishes on Russia are unrealistic.

That’s not my wish or anything, I just say the reality. Putin’s goal is destruction of Ukraine and Europe. Japan, Taiwan is not on his kill list. Unlikely he will use nukes. Will be over for all humans on earth. He included.
Venezuela is a US colony. Russia is a Chinese colony.

 

[Viet]

Russians are more likely to form a sort of understanding with the Americans on the sidelines. Trump's actions have proved that the defence of Europe lies with Europe and that America is effectively signalling that it won't meddle much in Eastern European affairs. Russians are more white than they are Asians, MAGA and Putin over lap in their global hegemony plans.

Anyways it's all words for now. We'll see how the spheres of influence cold war theory works in practicality. Might makes right is the motto everywhere again.

US just pulled out of 62 global organisations and is ramping up it's logistical and weapon facilities globally.

The conflict around Taiwan would be more "hot" compared to Trump's predecessors. If Trump can invade a nation for its oil and keeping petro dollar hegemony intact no way he will serve the Chinese 80% of world's hi tech semiconductor technologies on a platter.

Japan is also syncing militarily with the Americans.

Inside US Plans to reopen WWII air bases for war with China

The United States is expanding "air corridors" that will deliver combat power to China's doorstep in a future conflict.

www.newsweek.com

You obviously failed to read the US security doctrine. You live in a parallel universe.

 

[Sam6536]

You obviously failed to read the US security doctrine. You live in a parallel universe.

You're referring to the Monroe doctrine which refers to Americans dominating the Americas. This doesn't really mean they'll disengage from other fronts. Oil, Petro dollar and Advanced Semiconductors is on the top of their list rn.

American unilateral actions show that they will aggressively protect what they deem to be their interests.

 

[Viet]

You're referring to the Monroe doctrine which refers to Americans dominating the Americas. This doesn't really mean they'll disengage from other fronts. Oil, Petro dollar and Advanced Semiconductors is on the top of their list rn.

American unilateral actions show that they will aggressively protect what they deem to be their interests.

You still don’t understand. Trump’s Monroe doctrine is pushing “enemies” back from western hemisphere. Japan is part of that hemisphere so Israel. Trump takes the first step on Latin America because it’s closer to the US. Other regions will follow Europe, Asia, Africa.
Trump mixes Monroe with “American first” and what he calls “pragmatism”.
Of course semiconductor is part of that strategy, and many other items. But first and foremost the US military.
Trump will increase military budget to $1.5 trillion a year.

 

[MH.Yang]

That’s delusional by Lavrov. The Russians can’t save Venezuela how they can save China? Did he do anything to save Iran, Syria?
Putin’s endgame is the destruction of Ukraine. For this dream he will sacrifice millions Russians. There will be just few men remaining in Russia when the war is over. Taiwan is too far. That’s not on his menu.

You need to understand one thing first. As long as Russia's resource trade with China is not interrupted, China is confident of being the ultimate winner no what opponent it faces. China does not need Russia's weapons or soldiers at all. Our human and industrial capacity is almost limitless. It is enough for Russia to help China ensuring that the resource trade is not interrupted.

 

[Viet]

You need to understand one thing first. As long as Russia's resource trade with China is not interrupted, China is confident of being the ultimate winner no what opponent it faces. China does not need Russia's weapons or soldiers at all. Our human and industrial capacity is almost limitless. It is enough for Russia to help China ensuring that the resource trade is not interrupted.

I refer to Lavrov statement he promises China with “mutual support” if war breaks out.
What will the Russians send to war? If just trade, cheap oil, cheap gas then it’s too little with mutual support, don’t you think so? He can say the same to India.

 

[Ё-МАЁ]

That’s not my wish or anything, I just say the reality. Putin’s goal is destruction of Ukraine and Europe. Japan, Taiwan is not on his kill list. Unlikely he will use nukes. Will be over for all humans on earth. He included.
Venezuela is a US colony. Russia is a Chinese colony.

And how do you know all this?))))