PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Ak01]

You need to calm down. Your responses to other members show a very fragile ego.

PAF and Alan Warnes say we had almost the entire J-10 fleet in the air. If that happens to contradict you on the forum dont take it out on others. It really is not a good look.

if my responses hurt your feelings, i have nothing to say about that. Nothing fragile about not being interested in hearing whining.

 

[Yasser76]

if my responses hurt your feelings, i have nothing to say about that. Nothing fragile about not being interested in hearing whining.

Not at all, I am not the one getting aggressive to other members, you are. That shows someone unable to control emotions. Nowhere in any of my responses to you do I feel the need to get emotional.

I would take this lesson, learn and move on. Unsure if you will or not though.

 

[Ak01]

Not at all, I am not the one getting aggressive to other members, you are. That shows someone unable to control emotions. Nowhere in any of my responses to you do I feel the need to get emotional.

I would take this lesson, learn and move on. Unsure if you will or not though.

you wont be able to bait me, feel free to keep trying.

 

[Yasser76]

you wont be able to bait me, feel free to keep trying.

I am glad, that was not the intention, the fact you saw my messages as trying to bait you and not genuine advice reveals everything I need to know about you.

Thanks, time to finish this, as I certainly have better things to do with my time, as I am hoping you may do.

 

[TopGun786]

you wont be able to bait me, feel free to keep trying.

Dear! you already being baited by almost every member here.
Not meant to disrespect you but I also feel you kind of jump to oppose almost every member here.

 

[rafale]

if my responses hurt your feelings, i have nothing to say about that. Nothing fragile about not being interested in hearing whining.

It is fine to let your experience and thoughts known, but I do also have been noticing that your tone or replies have been too overly harsh to other members.

We all are here to learn and come from all sorts of experiences.

I too am a Industrial critical mission plants projects and maintenance professional.........and I know what availability means and how often things can break or how they can. But there is a certain way to get your point across.

 

[Raider 21]

100% Just very strange this was the most significant air battle in modern history and it is deliberately being down played....

It is Pakistan vs India. Enemies since day 1 with multiple wars. 3-4 days events is yesterday's news for an area that easily becomes a warzone every now and then. The hype was there last year...it means little later. USAF were briefed about what was done to the IAF last year. If F-16s got majority of the aerial kills, it would have been given a little more enthusiasm but it'd die down either way. There is a level of information that Pakistan could have released but they keep it on the low end for whatever reasons....often that assists with reducing the hype, no matter how well Aurangzeb did his average stuttering presentations.

 

[Yasser76]

It is Pakistan vs India. Enemies since day 1 with multiple wars. 3-4 days events is yesterday's news for an area that easily becomes a warzone every now and then. The hype was there last year...it means little later. USAF were briefed about what was done to the IAF last year. If F-16s got majority of the aerial kills, it would have been given a little more enthusiasm but it'd die down either way. There is a level of information that Pakistan could have released but they keep it on the low end for whatever reasons....often that assists with reducing the hype, no matter how well Aurangzeb did his average stuttering presentations.

I thought his presentation was much better then anything Pak Mil had previously done personally, and English is a second language for these guys, compare that to the broken English and heavy accents next door I think he did very well...

 

[Ali_Baba]

It is Pakistan vs India. Enemies since day 1 with multiple wars. 3-4 days events is yesterday's news for an area that easily becomes a warzone every now and then. The hype was there last year...it means little later. USAF were briefed about what was done to the IAF last year. If F-16s got majority of the aerial kills, it would have been given a little more enthusiasm but it'd die down either way. There is a level of information that Pakistan could have released but they keep it on the low end for whatever reasons....often that assists with reducing the hype, no matter how well Aurangzeb did his average stuttering presentations.

I think Aurangzeb did brilliantly. Very precise and got his message across very well.

 

[Princeps]

I thought his presentation was much better then anything Pak Mil had previously done personally, and English is a second language for these guys, compare that to the broken English and heavy accents next door I think he did very well...

I don't want to nitpick but since we are discussing it, the navy officer Imo was the most well spoken and composed.

 

[Yasser76]

I don't want to nitpick but since we are discussing it, the navy officer Imo was the most well spoken and composed.

I think they all did a good job. Unsure if they have had any media training but certainlly all came across as confident, atrticulate and even humerous. Do not even think the AVM was an official spokesperson (could be wrong here).

Compare this to the very wooden, scripted and almost nervous presentations the Indians did. What made them more cringe was delibertaely selecting women as if to show some cultural message. None of them seemed at ease. To make matters worse they were later replaced by more senior men.

Optics wise we won the "presser battle" hands down...

 

[hasssanali8998]

Do not even think the AVM was an official spokesperson (could be wrong here)

no he is the DGPR PAF and now is also DCAS-O

 

[AeronautIR]

no he is the DGPR PAF and now is also DCAS-O

He was DCAS(O) then, got a new portfolio now.

 

[AeronautIR]

18 airborne and 2 on standby ready for scramble if needed, thats 100% availability.

I agree... 100% J-10 were available and the normal rate is >90% for F-16 and J-10 fleet.

 

[AeronautIR]

My bad, 18 out of 20, which makes it a 90% missions capable rate right? That is also assuming all 20 had been delivered by then.

My point is @Oscar 's estimate of 80% mission capable is very realistic

The other 2 were also available to join the fight if God forbid we suffered losses.