Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Agreed, Iran can only prepare. They need to harden their defenses, secure their leadership and infrastructure and stay vigilent, and get rid of the spies and sabotage element. And unleash hell on first enemy incursion.

The war is going to be painful and is going to have consequences for the U.S, it's presence in the mid east and multiple other nations

You want those consequences to be the fault of the U.S and U.S alone

You don't want to trigger a war because of some preemptive nonsense that probably won't achieve anything




Let negotiations happen

Iran should be willing to negotiate another JCPOA or whatever it was called

Absolutely Nothing should be given up on its missile front, that's how Iran defends itself
 
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Whenever Trump is asked about Iran, he says we have very big and powerful ships heading towards Iran. But the CSG is already in place for several days, are they sending more ships? If that's the case then Iran is just waiting for them to set all of their pieces & assets in place, do complete strategy and hit at the right moment. Just like Iraq waited in both gulf wars, Iraq let all the enemy forces settle down and come in place and then it was game over. There's no guarantee that talks and everything else is just time buying techniques.

What Iran can/should do:

Iran wants to avoid war and de-escalate the situation. But you cannot de-escalate or avoid war when your enemy want to see you dead. You simply can't.

Now best Iran can do is to disrupt the deployments and enemy and not let them in a position to strike. Don't let the enemy organize into strike ready position.

Doing a pre-emptive strike / attacking the CSG with everything that Iran got is not an option as it will result in severe response from US, destroying all Iranian infrastructure. So what is the option here? I think the option is as long as there is no american causality that means there is still a way for de-escalation and still a way out for off-ramp. So what Iran can do is fire warning shots away from CSG. Means firing its cheap / old stock of missiles or even shahed drones at some kilometers offset of the CSG. Even if directed at CSG, they will intercept everything but you don't want to look like hitting them. You are doing this as a warning shots. The CSG will likely not take any risk and the destroyers will fire their SM-2 missiles to knock down those incoming vectors. The carrier will also as a precautionary measure will have to fly all of its aircrafts. This is a hectic exercise which bleeds energy and resources of the the CSG. Good thing is missiles fired by destroyers cannot be refilled at sea. So if Iran manages to empty the silos of destroyers then the carrier will have to go further away as it needs protection. Also how about when aircrafts land back, you fire another volley, so they have to fly again. This tiring process will not let settle CSG down. There will be no american casuality yet they will lose resources (air defense missiles) and above all the disruption caused. They will not into position to accurately do what they are planning to do. Problem with Iraq, Iran is that they never create even any disruptions while enemy is surrounding them and placing all their pieces & assets in attacking strategy. The important thing is that Iran must convey before its "warning shots" that our strikes are meant to cause no american casuality, but if US carry out strikes then our next strikes will be targeted. Warfare is not only at technology level but also at psychological level. You need to make them believe that you are ready to inflict severe costs on US no matter what. Remember, if you let americans settle properly and let them do the first major strikes then those strikes will ensure that Iran could not respond back at the CSG. Meaning they will target your missiles directed towards persian gulf & arabian sea.

So I think Iran should start disruption activities and don't play in the rules set by the enemy but make the rules of the game themselves. Its extremely important at this stage.

@Persian Gulf
 
I am in favor of IRGC doing preemptive strikes if it can be framed or blamed on them. Flip the narrative playbook and use their weapon(false flag) against them.
 
Looks like we are back to Oman

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Iran cannot make up its mind. Doesn’t look good changing venues last second and now negotiating if other FMs are allowed. Who is running the ship in Tehran?

On the contrary, it's better to move these to Oman and ensure the participation of reliable partners. Turkey is NOT reliable, remember that.
 
Just checked some Turkish sources. It might not matter to the average Iranian but this last minute move left many decision-makers in Ankara taken aback.

I don't think this was a smart move.

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However, it seems like there's also an internal power struggle going on in Iran right now. This conflict is not limited to the general populace but seems to extend into the upper circles of the power structure withinthe system as well.

The reason could be that Fidan wanted to weaken Iran through US pressure.
Instead of telling Trump to be realistic and focus on the nuclear deal only, he was telling the Americans to find a "solution" for all their demands, including missiles and regional politics. He was saying that Iran should change its policy, whatever policy that might be.
But Oman does not interfere and is neutral as a host.
 
Just checked some Turkish sources. It might not matter to the average Iranian but this last minute move left many decision-makers in Ankara taken aback.

I don't think this was a smart move.

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However, it seems like there's also an internal power struggle going on in Iran right now. This conflict is not limited to the general populace but seems to extend into the upper circles of the power structure withinthe system as well.


I think Iran fears that the Arab + Türkiye countries will gang up on Iran, to try and force concessions from Iran that it actually wants to say no to. The neighbouring countries are afraid of a conflict that involves them, and potentially any refugee type issues that may spill over to them and those concerns change the dynamics of the outcome.

Alone, Iran may feel comfortable to say no to USA and potentially comfortable to have a military exchange with the USA to protect its redlines and its interests, but it may not be able to say no to the Arab countries as much. That is why the change of both location, and also reduction of the number of countries involved.

imho.
 
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Whenever Trump is asked about Iran, he says we have very big and powerful ships heading towards Iran. But the CSG is already in place for several days, are they sending more ships? If that's the case then Iran is just waiting for them to set all of their pieces & assets in place, do complete strategy and hit at the right moment. Just like Iraq waited in both gulf wars, Iraq let all the enemy forces settle down and come in place and then it was game over. There's no guarantee that talks and everything else is just time buying techniques.

What Iran can/should do:

Iran wants to avoid war and de-escalate the situation. But you cannot de-escalate or avoid war when your enemy want to see you dead. You simply can't.

Now best Iran can do is to disrupt the deployments and enemy and not let them in a position to strike. Don't let the enemy organize into strike ready position.

Doing a pre-emptive strike / attacking the CSG with everything that Iran got is not an option as it will result in severe response from US, destroying all Iranian infrastructure. So what is the option here? I think the option is as long as there is no american causality that means there is still a way for de-escalation and still a way out for off-ramp. So what Iran can do is fire warning shots away from CSG. Means firing its cheap / old stock of missiles or even shahed drones at some kilometers offset of the CSG. Even if directed at CSG, they will intercept everything but you don't want to look like hitting them. You are doing this as a warning shots. The CSG will likely not take any risk and the destroyers will fire their SM-2 missiles to knock down those incoming vectors. The carrier will also as a precautionary measure will have to fly all of its aircrafts. This is a hectic exercise which bleeds energy and resources of the the CSG. Good thing is missiles fired by destroyers cannot be refilled at sea. So if Iran manages to empty the silos of destroyers then the carrier will have to go further away as it needs protection. Also how about when aircrafts land back, you fire another volley, so they have to fly again. This tiring process will not let settle CSG down. There will be no american casuality yet they will lose resources (air defense missiles) and above all the disruption caused. They will not into position to accurately do what they are planning to do. Problem with Iraq, Iran is that they never create even any disruptions while enemy is surrounding them and placing all their pieces & assets in attacking strategy. The important thing is that Iran must convey before its "warning shots" that our strikes are meant to cause no american casuality, but if US carry out strikes then our next strikes will be targeted. Warfare is not only at technology level but also at psychological level. You need to make them believe that you are ready to inflict severe costs on US no matter what. Remember, if you let americans settle properly and let them do the first major strikes then those strikes will ensure that Iran could not respond back at the CSG. Meaning they will target your missiles directed towards persian gulf & arabian sea.

So I think Iran should start disruption activities and don't play in the rules set by the enemy but make the rules of the game themselves. Its extremely important at this stage.

@Persian Gulf

As time passes the chance of zion preempting the US to force the hand on Iran increases. It seems the undertaking is growing as the appreciation of Iranian potential increases...

Iran will of course need an A game on defense. And if they can apply their offense with some imagination and prep... it should suffice.
 
Allowing a surprise attack to proceed unchecked is absolutely wrong.
If this continues, Trump will unleash a B-2 squadron and a hail of missiles across all of Iran, carry out a one-sided massacre, declare victory, and then the U.S. fleet will quickly retreat out of range.

ran would then lose any chance to retaliate. Unable to defy reformist voices questioning why Iran would provoke Arab nations by firing missiles at US bases when Trump declares “this is the end,” Iran would abandon retaliation and lose its national sovereignty.
That would be the end. The U.S. military and Israel would then be free to bomb Iran whenever they pleased, without any risk of retaliation.

o prevent that, Iran has no choice but to initiate a first-strike operation.
 
HEU stockpile is buried under rubble, centrifuges are destroyed

this isn't really disputed

Thats what I was asking, what are they going to ship to a third party country is everything is already destroyed as per Trump.
 
Larijani runs the IRGCAF sanctions busting companies. Shamkhani runs the oil fleet, right? Cant have a coup without these two being on the same page.

Larijani rose up the ranks simultaneously when war started and is now effectively bypassing Khamenei, Pezeshkian, Araghchi on many matters such as meeting with critical allies of IRI.

Shamkhani has always been IRGC's face and nothing else. Considering war and budget rise, Larijani's sudden boost, export revenue being siphoned off to induce protests, one can say that internal well planned coup is in motion. One very well known Iranian think tank pointed that out that reason US military intelligence briefed Trump against any war is them seeing Trump becoming an unwanted participant in internal politics of IRI.
 
Allowing a surprise attack to proceed unchecked is absolutely wrong.
If this continues, Trump will unleash a B-2 squadron and a hail of missiles across all of Iran, carry out a one-sided massacre, declare victory, and then the U.S. fleet will quickly retreat out of range.

ran would then lose any chance to retaliate. Unable to defy reformist voices questioning why Iran would provoke Arab nations by firing missiles at US bases when Trump declares “this is the end,” Iran would abandon retaliation and lose its national sovereignty.
That would be the end. The U.S. military and Israel would then be free to bomb Iran whenever they pleased, without any risk of retaliation.

o prevent that, Iran has no choice but to initiate a first-strike operation.

True! And you must realize that the one talking deal is a proven shyster... who wants... as before ... to give an impression that he is serious about talks... demands and once he feels that Iranians are sufficiently at ease... boom!

You cannot ask a liar and deception artist to come clean just one last time.... and if he does ... you'd be fools to trust him still... because that is an aberration and not the rule. Zion assumes they can swallow the blows at the cost of Iran... let them swallow! They got a replica silicon valley... the whole economy is that in fact!... both food and water insecure... depending on imports of grains and desalination... the appetite for water is manifold itself.

No one has ever taken time to apprise them of their vulnerabilities... such is the hubris .... but hey, they got their men sitting atop the collective.
 
Allowing a surprise attack to proceed unchecked is absolutely wrong.
If this continues, Trump will unleash a B-2 squadron and a hail of missiles across all of Iran, carry out a one-sided massacre, declare victory, and then the U.S. fleet will quickly retreat out of range.

ran would then lose any chance to retaliate. Unable to defy reformist voices questioning why Iran would provoke Arab nations by firing missiles at US bases when Trump declares “this is the end,” Iran would abandon retaliation and lose its national sovereignty.
That would be the end. The U.S. military and Israel would then be free to bomb Iran whenever they pleased, without any risk of retaliation.

o prevent that, Iran has no choice but to initiate a first-strike operation.
The oil installations and US bases will also retreat out of range?
 
The oil installations and US bases will also retreat out of range?
Well to be fair most American soldiers will have been evacuated with only essential personnel protecting bases from fortified areas if an attack occurs.

I think attacks on other countries oil and gas installations would only occur as a good bye letter if Iran as we know it today fell and they have nothing to lose if they are going down might as well take everyone in the world down with them let the whole world’s economies suffer.
 
The oil installations and US bases will also retreat out of range?

That is unlikely to happen, regardless of whether Iran strikes preemptively, or in retaliation.
 

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