Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Blain2]

Who is "you"?

The Pathan part of the establishment pushed them into power, keeping the border wide open for them, culiminating in their poster child Imran Khan begging the world for them.

This is all KP's fault and now their are hiding away from responsibility playing victim and identity politics.

You are absolutely right. Pakistan's entire Afghan foreign policy was architected by our Pakhtun hands who basically pushed the country to cultivate Pakhtuns in Afghanistan using Islamic brotherhood as the bonding glue.

 

[Watandar]

Who is "you"?

The Pathan part of the establishment pushed them into power, keeping the border wide open for them, culiminating in their poster child Imran Khan begging the world for them.

This is all KP's fault and now their are hiding away from responsibility playing victim and identity politics.

You is GHQ. "Pathan part of establishment" ? hain what is that ? Your post is completely detached from realities of Pakistan.

 

[Blain2]

I
am from Balochistan. I know better than most here how easy it is to cross the border. If locals can do it, then insurgents can do it much easily.

Drones are dirt cheap these days.

The dirt cheap drones aren't the solution. I am not even sure if a conversation about it here would help.

There is no "locking down" the porous border. A border can only be locked down if there is partnership with the other side to secure borders. Taliban have no interest in locking down a border that they have a problem with in the first place.

 

[El Sidd]

Getting our house in order.

The border is still porous. Man its properly, use UAVs and others to plug ISR gaps on the massive border to better monitor it.

Strike terrorist camps in Afghanistan in a sustained manner, put fear of God in them.

Dismantle the foreign sleeper cells in Pakistan.

But for all this, the security apparatus and establishment needs to re-align their priorities, which clearly isnt the case.

Do you honestly believe that such a porous border can be manned and Pakistan has economic and otherwise capacity to do what you are suggesting?

 

[Expert]

You spent 30 years placing the Taliban in power in Kabul, twice. What is your problem with them now ? It's the same Taliban. They want recognition and for Afghanistan to be an independent neighbor. You will have to accept this, even if it spoils Army's image in the West as clean shaven suit wearing great English speaking modern Muslims.

Once the Taliban or Afghans in general find assurance that the proxy wars of the past are over, they will pull their support for TTP/BLA. That will make your job easier in tackling and eliminating those groups. Of course you will also have to get out of the jehad business and behave like a normal country.

The present scenario with Taliban in control of a whole country providing strategic depth to TTP/BLA is beyond Pakistan's capabilities. These airstrikes, trade blockades, expelling innocent Afghan refugees were dumb tantrums of jernails which predictably failed.

Another hope that the duffers in GHQ now have is that they can sell "Taliban bad" to the international community and get some $$$ that way as Pakistan is supposedly now fighting the Taliban. Won't work.

If they want recognition through suicide bombings. Then go to hell . We should fight another 30 years war to eliminate them no matter what it takes to achieve it.

 

[Distant_Observer]

You is GHQ. "Pathan part of establishment" ? hain what is that ? Your post is completely detached from realities of Pakistan.

There is equity within the Pakistani establishment which reflects the structure of the federation.

taliban is a KP led project.

 

[SteppeWolff]

The dirt cheap drones aren't the solution. I am not even sure if a conversation about it here would help.

There is no "locking down" the porous border. A border can only be locked down if there is partnership with the other side to secure borders. Taliban have no interest in locking down a border that they have a problem with in the first place.

So in short, according to you, current situation is all kosher. Dozens dead per day is all okay. Security appratus is doing its job well.

While whole caravans of smugglers cross borders daily in jeeps and god knows how much of weapons or guys they are smuggling in.

And drones arent the solution. Sure.

 

[Waterboy]

Wtaf is the security appratus doing?

There's no security apparatus. Military checkpoint were removed in 2021. PTM/PTI collaborated with bajwa to remove piquets and post as tribal pashtun were concerned about racial profiling.

I visited swat in 2015 and there was army everywhere with handheld cnic scanner. This was the norm after zarb e azb in majority of fata when it was under federal control. Then after the merger all of this apparatus was removed and military was sent on the border and FC in their fort. On top of that you resettled around 20k TTP families all over fata, this was the result of negotiation which PTI supported and bajwa/faiz implemented. Post 2021 they rebuilt the entire terror infrastructure which is wrecking havoc. Moreover PTI didn't build police capabilities in fata and neither did the army bother to do anything because both were busy fighting each other.

All post 2016 gain were made zero when you resettled the cunts you kicked out. This was the result of negotiation which PTI chutyias support.

 

[hasssanali8998]

A border can only be locked down if there is partnership with the other side to secure borders

Do you honestly believe that such a porous border can be manned and Pakistan has economic and otherwise capacity to do what you are suggesting?

well it better find a way becasue we have no option , nothing else will make a difference close down the border stop the smuggling and then ruthlessly kill evey single terrorist in leadership position .
i am sure military leaders cant even strike as much as they want due to the fear of s bombings .

 

[SteppeWolff]

Do you honestly believe that such a porous border can be manned and Pakistan has economic and otherwise capacity to do what you are suggesting?

Man it wherever it is possible. And for rest, modern technology is your friend. Boomer uncles abhi bhi chowki system say bahar nahi niklay.

 

[Blain2]

Do you honestly believe that such a porous border can be manned and Pakistan has economic and otherwise capacity to do what you are suggesting?

It cannot.

The gent claims that "smuggling has not been stopped".

For smuggling to stop, you need two countries operating in unison to make that happen. Afghanistan's economy operates on smuggling and drug trafficking.

We have border posts that have no mirrors on the other side.

We cannot deploy cheap drones because they lack range, require their operators to be deployed in the no-mans land itself and employing hundreds, thousands of such drones do very little to keep an eye on a 2600 KM border.

 

[Watandar]

If they want recognition through suicide bombings. Then go to hell . We should fight another 30 years war to eliminate them no matter what it takes to achieve it.

You neither have the money nor the capability nor the will to fight another 30 years. Just chest thumping.

 

[Blain2]

well it better find a way becasue we have no option , nothing else will make a difference close down the border stop the smuggling and then ruthlessly kill evey single terrorist in leadership position .
i am sure military leaders cant even strike as much as they want due to the fear of s bombings .

The solution is more of what is going on here. We have to raise the cost for the Afghan government itself.

None of this goes on without their tacit approval or looking the other way.

 

[Expert]

You neither have the money nor the capability nor the will to fight another 30 years. Just chest thumping.

If Ukraine , Hamas , and taliban can fight for 20 years by leeching off our resources. Then I am sure we are capable of fighting for at least 200 years.

 

[Distant_Observer]

There's no security apparatus. Military checkpoint were removed in 2021. PTM/PTI collaborated with bajwa to remove piquets and post as tribal pashtun were concerned about racial profiling.

I visited swat in 2015 and there was army everywhere with handheld cnic scanner. This was the norm after zarb e azb in majority of fata when it was under federal control. Then after the merger all of this apparatus was removed and military was sent on the border and FC in their fort. On top of that you resettled around 20k TTP families all over fata, this was the result of negotiation which PTI supported and bajwa/faiz implemented. Post 2021 they rebuilt the entire terror infrastructure which is wrecking havoc. Moreover PTI didn't build police capabilities in fata and neither did the army bother to do anything because both were busy fighting each other.

All post 2016 gain were made zero when you resettled the cunts you kicked out. This was the result of negotiation which PTI chutyias support.

NWFP was purposefully kept lawless and a no mans land to ensure taliban could hide from NATO forces and ensure the smuggling routes remain functional because 80% of KP economy depends on smuggling.

To fix the taliban problem, there needs to be regime change in KP and rational security focused leadership take charge.