Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Meengla said:
Iraq ceased to be a sovereign nation as soon as Saddam was toppled, just like Syria used to be a sovereign nation when Assad fell.
We don't have to like those fallen leaders to recognize the reality of 'regime change'.

Anyway, it seems like General Craig's pushback against a frontal war with Iran is making a splash, as much as Trump may deny that. And I am not surprised because similar pushback had happened at the height of the Israel-Gaza-Hezbollah war 2-3 years ago where the top Pentagon brass were cautioning against attacking Iran. Even with the Iranian allied forces bordering Israel neutralized, Iran is still a potent threat.
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Assad wasn't really sovereign, especially towards the end of the war. He controlled less of the country than what the current govt controls, and was dependent on manpower from Iran/Iraq/Lebanon and elsewhere to rule.
 
Emirzad said:
If system was as Staunch anti Israeli/US as it seems then they would have ripped apart JCPOA, NPT right there and would have declared nuclear capability right there but they resorted to striking US bases only. Is that less of a hint that IRI no long is the revolutionary fundamentalist state it used to be? Soleimani's FM called him an extremist, thanks for ignoring it.
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All more arguments that strengthen my statement. I have no idea if this is ranting about the system or a counterargument, but I don't disagree with it.

Emirzad said:
Attack on nuclear facilities was mutually planned as was Iranian strike on US bases in Iraq and then in Qatar otherwise Trump would not have been asking for the very same half a tonne HEU to be shipped to a 3rd party country that Trump himself, Hegseth, Rubio, Vance, Ratcliffe all claimed to have destroyed/obliterated last year along with cascades of IR-4M/8 that they now are magically claiming to be producing weapons grade uranium. Literally they all said it was all inside the underground storage and we know site has not been touched so what are they asking for now?
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If we assume that attacks on our nuclear facilities were planned mutually, then what makes you think that a coup or a revolution cannot be mutually planned?
Khamenei himself said that they neutralized a coup within the system. There are reports in foreign journals that Rohani is preparing to take over the leadership.

Emirzad said:
Also please clarify me why don't they take out Ayatollah Khamenei himself ? why dont they attack Iranian oil terminals, why not attack reformist politicians or generals that have had dealings with US before? If you know Iranian history, this is not the first time foriegn entities are being used for internal political fighting. I asked you a question before which I will ask again, 112 billion USD worth money came in exports last year against half the imports and expenditures, how did Bank Merkazi got emptied to the point that market hit inflation twice all during reformist government?
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I have asked this question too. I am not the one to answer it but Tabnak claims that the trustees have refused to return 130 billion dollars in the last 7 years. The real question is why nobody is doing anything about it.

Emirzad said:
There is no "We" inside Iran. Its a polarized society because government is a revolutionary Islamo-Marxist system that people hate with passion. 47 years have passed, if we filter out the system atleast 70-80% of the politicians including "conservatives" would want the reset.

Remember, Khamenei appointed Larijani as the all in all leader of IRI now, does he seem like a mullah to you ? would this have been possible in 80s or 90s ?
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Never disagreed with this. Again, is this just sharing your ideas or a counter-argument? Because I can't see how any of those things refute my statements about the upcoming war with the US. And what is your stance on it anyway? Do you think the regime has the resolve to fight back, if we assume your conspiracy theories are right?

Emirzad said:
Ukraine has rudimentary strike capability, it has no proper infrastructure to entrench inside dozens underground bases on a territory larger than Europe itself. They have no means of continously striking back deep inside Russian territory at cities, at bases, at infrastructure to actual give socio-economic pain to Russia. They do time to time unsustainable tactics like inside Russia terrorism of targetting some general with assasination or some quadcopter or kamikaze attack but thats now how wars are fought. There is no integrated IADS, no long range EW, no missile cities or aerospace command with thousands of missiles, drones at their disposal. Their naval options are minimal as well, they are not sitting on naval choke points nor do have the means of hurting Russian trade. IRI has a million soldiers at its hand that they can mobilise and have done it before (80s war), Ukraine cant do that, they are resorting to mercenaries and forced military service now. Their war chest is empty, they are relying upon military and war aid that comes from western countries, IRI even after a bloody war is pumping 5+ MBPD. I dont want to remind how much money they recieved in hydrocarbon exports last year after fighting US and Israel. If you cant see beyond all of this just because of our national sports of self-loathing then we are done here.
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Ukraine has received 320 billion dollars of aid since the start of the war, i.e. in 4 years. That is equal to 8-10 years of our oil exports, assuming the money fully returns to Iran. And by the way, what makes you think that the USN will allow Iran to export its oil during war time?

Ukraine has enjoyed military support including ATGMs, precision artillery, different classes of drones including FPVs, all sorts of intel, counter-drone capabilities, etc. I don't get what makes you think that they have 5% of our capabilities. We do not have an IADS either.

Ukraine produces 4 million FPVs per year. How many does Iran produce? Ukraine has 1 million active troops as of now. All armed to the teeth with NATO equipment.

So, again, where does 5% come from? I wouldn't have disagreed with you if you had said something like 50% or 60%, but 5%? Seriously?
 
Shags101 said:
If they attack it will be only after Thursday they have to pretend they are trying to resolve things diplomatically
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Last time that Israel attacked Iran, Iran and the US were supposed to meet each other on Sunday. Israel attacked on Friday, 2 days before Iran was supposed to hand over our proposed version of agreement to Witkoff.
 
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Shags101 said:
If they attack it will be only after Thursday they have to pretend they are trying to resolve things diplomatically
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The Joint Chiefs objections have showed up quickly in multiple outlets, meaning it was a deliberate leak. That suggests he wants his objections made public before the impending attack. It could be tonight.
 
hyperman said:
Assad wasn't really sovereign, especially towards the end of the war. He controlled less of the country than what the current govt controls, and was dependent on manpower from Iran/Iraq/Lebanon and elsewhere to rule.
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Sovereign enough compared with what followed him, even if greatly weakened by the 14+ year foreign supported 'freedom movement'. Weapons were allowed from Iran to Hezbollah. As soon as Assad fell, Israelis bombed the crap out of whatever real military assets Syria had and grabbed territory three times the size of Gaza.
But, hey, 'freedom' came to Syria!!
 
hyperman said:
Assad wasn't really sovereign, especially towards the end of the war. He controlled less of the country than what the current govt controls, and was dependent on manpower from Iran/Iraq/Lebanon and elsewhere to rule.
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Assad worked for the US (Republican party) almost all the time, allied himself with Bush and helped the US in several conflicts in the 2000s, then like any puppet, the US betrayed him during the Obama administration (just as the US betrays the Kurds today) and then Assad approached Iran, Russia, etc. (to survive) but never launched attacks against American or Israeli bases or allowed Iran or its allies to attack Israel or the US from his territory. The Houthis asked Assad for permission to enter through Iraq, go to Syria and then attack Israel from the north. Assad said NO, and as retaliation for the unusual request, Assad closed the Houthi embassy in Syria and opened a Saudi Arabian consulate in the same building...

- Assad worked with Bush.
- Assad was betrayed by the Obama administration, which tried to overthrow him, so he approached Iran and Russia.
- Assad makes a "peace agreement" in Trump's first term
- Assad remains neutral in the Biden administration, waiting for Trump to return.
- Assad receives information that "Trump won the election" and makes a deal with Jared Kushner and Trump's transition team (still under the Biden administration) and days before Trump takes office, Assad surrenders, dismantles the government and flees to Russia. The media created the fake narrative (Venezuela style, etc.) that "rebels riding bicycles seized power."

NOTE: This is why Iran did nothing for Assad; the only thing Assad allowed to happen was the passage of weapons from Iran to Lebanon. Something that may still be happening.
 
Watandar said:
The Joint Chiefs objections have showed up quickly in multiple outlets, meaning it was a deliberate leak. That suggests he wants his objections made public before the impending attack. It could be tonight.
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Will see I still think best bet is right after Thursday and if the Chinese or Russians are actual allies ir just want to bring Trump down from his pedestal will be monitoring all trump and Israeli movements to give the Iranians as much notice as possible to unleash whatever hell they have waiting for anyone
 
Arash said:
Who is this child ? Mario Nawfal ? Does he have any crédit speaking about strategy or politics ? I heard he's just an influencer......
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He is a Lebanese Maronite Christian who lives in Australia. He jumps to whatever story that can generate traffic. He is not reliable; just a Twitter-based troll.
 
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