Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[the saint]

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[Meengla]

Watched this yesterday; Patrick Henningsen is quickly becoming one of my favorite analysts. He has been to Iran, has interacted with officials there and is looking at the geopolitics in that region with a lens broader than Trita Parsi and Max Blumenthal.
While this entire video is worth watching, starting about this point he brings up Pakistan to be 'extremely important' in helping Iran by providing intelligence and that Afghanistan is an enemy of Iran.

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[Meengla]

So the orange man has the SOTU speech tonight..judging by what Schumer said, it looks like he wants to make the case to the American people for attacking Iran....to that I say good luck clown....you sow it, be ready to reap it.

I watched most of the SOTU last night and probably missed the last 5-15 minutes because it was long, tiring just to watch and that he seemed getting done with the foreign policy aspects by then.
It didn't seem like he was addressing foreign policy much, which was a surprise to me.

 

[Meengla]

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His father stole billions from Iran and this man cannot take a few thousands and remove that parrot size nose of his.

Those with good command of Urdu language should be able to grasp the gist of the Tweet's title in Persian!!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Watched this yesterday; Patrick Henningsen is quickly becoming one of my favorite analysts. He has been to Iran, has interacted with officials there and is looking at the geopolitics in that region with a lens broader than Trita Parsi and Max Blumenthal.
While this entire video is worth watching, starting about this point he brings up Pakistan to be 'extremely important' in helping Iran by providing intelligence and that Afghanistan is an enemy of Iran.

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Pakistan is not going to get involved in this in anyway, part of the "planning" for this attack was to give Pakistan the pretence that relations with the USA are back to normal and the lauding of the ego's of Munir/+PM was to pull Pakistan away from Iran.

Helping against Israel was one thing, but the USA, less so.

I am sceptical on the future of USA/Pakistan relations once "Iran" is taken care of (imho).

 

[Dil Pakistan]

What are the chances of a false flag attack on US ship / ships to kick start the war?

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan is not going to get involved in this in anyway, part of the "planning" for this attack was to give Pakistan the pretence that relations with the USA are back to normal and the lauding of the ego's of Munir/+PM was to pull Pakistan away from Iran.
Helping against Israel was one thing, but the USA, less so.
I am sceptical on the future of USA/Pakistan relations once "Iran" is taken care of (imho).

Nobody knows for sure what, if anything, Pakistan would do in case of a frontal attack on Iran. But there is an almost a universal consensus in Pakistan that a war on Iran is not good for Pakistan--on the contrary-and that Pakistan could be next.
I understand Pakistan is in no position to provide much help as far as America is concerned, but Israel is a different matter. Mr. Hennisgsen bringing up Pakistan and Afghanistan in the video above is almost certainly informed by his engagements with Iranian officials!
PS. Pakistanis are not that stupid to fall for the 'ego' aspect; Pakistanis are getting as much from Trump as possible and that's it. Nothing concrete has been given to Trump and the Gaza BoP is just a PR exercise. Pakistan is laser focused on the India threat and must be watching what India's Modi is going to cook up with Netanyahu over next few days...

 

[Pak-Warrior]

What are the chances of a false flag attack on US ship / ships to kick start the war?

ZERO.

Why on earth they'd bother to do a "false flag" to start a war. When they are openly saying they can attack Iran anytime if it did not surrender to their demands.
Whenever the war starts, its either US will attack Or Israel OR both together.

 

[ShapurII]

What threat was maduro, Chavez, Cuba etc to America and Israel?

Gaddafi tried normalising relationships with both USA and Israel and see where that got him once he gave up WMD's.

I have promised @Persian Gulf not to derail the thread anymore. So, after this, let's discuss the rest of it in the chill thread.

But seriously, which one of those countries are normal?
Cuba is a single-party authoritarian state running on communism when it's no longer a thing. It's suffering from political oppression, economic stagnation, incredible brain drain, energy cuts, etc. It hosts nuclear weapons aimed at mainland US. It is obviously a security threat to the US. Does this sound familiar?

Chavez increased state control over Venezuela's oil, but he remained in power until his death. Maduro was never as popular or charismatic as Chavez and was in power through consolidating political control and moving towards a one-party system. Again, similar to what Khamenei and the IRGC have been doing since the Green movement. He wasn't an immediate threat to the United States, but he cut the US profits from their oil industry and then did nothing to build a strong country to defend it. Does that sound familiar?

Young Ghaddafi was a true revolutionary figure and he didn't deserve his fate in my opinion. But as he got older, he continued to run his mouth for too long while signing humiliating agreements one after another and he did rule as a dictator over Libya. He was a comedic figure rather than a serious political leader. Any person that appears with dolled-up Slavic escorts on national TV is a joke.

In fact, that seems to be the common pattern for countries that befriend Russia and move to their camp. The difference between becoming a US lackey, like the late Shah, and a Soviet/Russia lackey, like the Ayatollah regime under the KGB-trained agent Khamenei, is that US lackeys at least get some level of progress and economic prosperity with a facade of democracy and normalcy. Russian lackeys get nothing but poverty, loudmouth leaders that want to rebel against the current world order, weird ideologies, and consolidation of power through corruption and tyranny.

The problem with these states is that they do not consider their population as anything other than inferior peasants who are entitled to no opinion or otherwise they will be labeled as traitors. There's not a shred of democracy in any of them. They're all corrupt and when foreign powers start to exert pressure on them, they sign the most humiliating agreements and trade their national security with a few more years in power (like the JCPOA). And they all will eventually have the same fate.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Interesting view point on the fleet in the Persian Gulf.

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[StrategicBear]

Recently Israel said they could withstand 700 missile strikes from Iran, but that is just a bluff.

All it takes is for Iran to destroy all desalination plants, power plants and other strategic nodes in Israel with BMs, and their ability to function as a country would severely be degraded for almost a year.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Recently Israel said they could withstand 700 missile strikes from Iran, but that is just a bluff.

All it takes is for Iran to destroy all desalination plants, power plants and other strategic nodes in Israel with BMs, and their ability to function as a country would severely be degraded for almost a year.

Only if Iran actively targets them. Last time Iran made the mistake of thinking it could take out an airbase, it couldn't. Hopefully Iran has learnt that lesson and has a target list that has far more economic impact to Israel as you have indicated.

Also, there are a lot of very very very expensive Intel Fabs in Israel, so if Iran wants to incur a direct economic cost on the USA, it could take out those fabs. There are very few targets in Israel that cost more than those fabs, or will hurt both the USA and Israel more....

 

[Bahrami]

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[Dil Pakistan]

ZERO.

Why on earth they'd bother to do a "false flag" to start a war. When they are openly saying they can attack Iran anytime if it did not surrender to their demands.
Whenever the war starts, its either US will attack Or Israel OR both together.

Because the war has not started, and twice (if not three times) called off.
From military strategic perspective, there has to be a timeline to achieve the desired outcome.
In addition, the US Army Chief has said two days ago, this war cannot be won in a few hours, or even days. The likelihood US damage and causalities is very high.

Therefore, there is stagnation and considerable delay. Those who want the war may do something (including a false flag) to start the war.

 

[kastor ville]

I watched most of the SOTU last night and probably missed the last 5-15 minutes because it was long, tiring just to watch and that he seemed getting done with the foreign policy aspects by then.
It didn't seem like he was addressing foreign policy much, which was a surprise to me.

Me too....what a mess of a speech. The American president basically told the public...their biggest enemy are the democrats. What a small man, in charge of the most powerful country in thr world....Divider in chief.