Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Toxic said:
Gathering your entire senior leadership in one place when there is the threat of Airstrikes happening any moments might make it into the top 10 most retarded decisions ever.
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not the entire political leadership

Khamenei met with his 70 year old advisor (Shamkhani) and head of IRGC (Pakpour), mostly a ceremonial figure, and Defence Minister (Nasirzadeh)

the guys in charge of the missiles and overall army were not there and survived
 
JonAsad said:
Maybe Khameni was told the negotiations are almost successful to lower his guard and got betrayed by the Yahood Nasara Nexus.
Just a theory.
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The Iranian negotiators may have been given the false impression that US was willing to listen to Iran, and when they rushed to tell the Leader, that electronic trail was intercepted and followed till it led them to Khamenai.
 
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At this point, further fighting only brings further destruction to Iran and Iranian people.

IRGC cannot stop planes in its airspace, it cannot stop planes from taking off towards Iran, it cannot stop the cruise missiles and ALBMs.

At this point, it’s pride and honor and revenge as the only motivation to continue fighting. But the reality is Iran can never start its nuclear program again under constant threat of another round of air strikes. And it cannot keep rebuilding its factories involved in missile production whenever Israel or America decides to “mow the grass” again.

There is no strategy right now, it’s just blatant lashing out. Most of the damage is being inflicted on Iran’s Arab neighbors not on US or Israel. Damage which Iran will likely be taken to international court and forced to pay for under whatever new government takes over. That’s tens of billions in damages likely.

Just as I said toman currency death spiral was unsustainable. Just as NO nukes, No war, no negotiations motto was unsustainable.

This war is unsustainable.
 
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Tamerlane said:
Iran needs to go into ‘Samson Option’ mode. If they allow the cannibal satanists to prevail then Iran is going to be destroyed anyways and all the remaining leaders will be eliminated. Iran will be broken up and turned into a Syria or Iraq, with various groups controlling different parts. Israel will then bomb Iran at will over the next 10-20 years like it bombs Syria or Lebanon.

Any Shah supporters expecting US-Israel to rebuild Iran like Germany or France will be disappointed.

Therefore, it is now do or die. Even if they go down they should take their enemies with them.
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The Israelis and Americans have a clear objective which is the complete destruction and removal of Iranian military leadership.

What objective does Iran have from this point forward? Iran was dragged into the war unwillingly, but it must now survive. It is clear as daylight that Iranian military rulers won't survive a conventional campaign. Firing missiles infinitely won't have the desired effect. The only proper chance for survival in my humble opinion is going nuclear.
 
mangekyo said:
Many posts on x came out same time as they claimed Khamenei and is in laws were hit.
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Mojtaba is not Khamenei's in law. He is his son.

The reports say that Khamenei's daughter and her husband and child were killed, not Khamenei's son (Mojtaba).
 
Dalit said:
The current Iranian military apparatus can get to a stalemate, but only through nuclear status. Without the nukes it is game over. The Americans and Israelis will simply continue their campaign and up the ante. Iran can only absorb so much. Unless the military leaders are willing to go back to the negotiating table and accept all Israeli and US demands. Although, I think the Israelis and Americans would want to complete the job now with the spiritual leader gone.

Iranian military leaders have some tough choices to make.
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War doesn't work like that, my friend, let me explain: war has pre-established chains of command. If someone kills Trump and 50 other American generals, does that person win the war? NO! That would just be a marketing ploy; they would be replaced by others, and the war would continue. In several wars, like Vietnam, entire chains of command were devastated, but others come in, and others come in.

Winning a war means defeating the adversary completely on all levels, as Germany was defeated in the First and Second World Wars, which is not what is happening here...What the US/Israel want to do is create a NARRATIVE OF VICTORY, with media actions, assassinations, and kidnappings to make people stop fighting against them, and give up on Palestine, etc. And then use their spies inside to try to reach a good deal for them, something like, "This is the plan."
 
Trump making fun of Iran’s response so far:

“We thought it’d be double. Thus far, it’s been less than we thought.”


has to be bait
 
Persian Gulf said:
Mojtaba is not Khamenei's in law. He is his son.

The reports say that Khamenei's daughter and her husband and child were killed, not Khamenei's son (Mojtaba).
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I know who Mojtaba is lol. I’m saying claims mojtaba died came at the same time as the claims about khameneis death.
 
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