Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Tehrani021]

Trump making fun of Iran’s response so far:

“We thought it’d be double. Thus far, it’s been less than we thought.”


has to be bait

He's not entirely wrong, as we haven't seen any hypersonic missiles or any death of senior figures of the Pedo State and Yanks

 

[StrategicBear]

At this point, further fighting only brings further destruction to Iran and Iranian people.

IRGC cannot stop planes in its airspace, it cannot stop planes from taking off towards Iran, it cannot stop the cruise missiles and ALBMs.

At this point, it’s pride and honor and revenge as the only motivation to continue fighting. But the reality is Iran can never start its nuclear program again under constant threat of another round of air strikes. And it cannot keep rebuilding its factories involved in missile production whenever Israel or America decides to “mow the grass” again.

There is no strategy right now, it’s just blatant lashing out. Most of the damage is being inflicted on Iran’s Arab neighbors not on US or Israel. Damage which Iran will likely be taken to international court and forced to pay for under whatever new government takes over. That’s tens of billions in damages likely.

Just as I said toman currency death spiral was unsustainable. Just as NO nukes, No war, no negotiations motto was unsustainable.

This war is unsustainable.

But I believe Iran may already have nuclear weapons but will reveal it at a dramatic timing later.

The timeline I see is :

1. Iran sinks a US Carrier

2. Like some say, US will use this as an excuse to launch a Tactical Nuke on an IRGC military target

3. Culminating in Iran making a Nuclear Test later, and declaring it is now a Nuclear Weapons State. Urge USA and all to accept Iranian enrichment and Ballistic Missiles or else Nuclear Escalation is an option.

To win this war, Iran needs to force the enemies to accept Iran's rights or suffer devastation in war if they still insist on making Iran capitulate, so Iran needs this NUKE scenario to make Satanyahu and Trump fold.

 

[mangekyo]

No proof Mojtaba is dead. Israel and U.S. never claimed it.

So far everyone announced dead proved to be dead. I will assume he’s dead

 

[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

Oil and gas majors and traders suspend shipments via Hormuz - REUTERS

 

[ety]

For those that keep bringing up china. Know that china works according to its own timeline and goals and does not operate on anyone else's clock and expectations.

Exactly, well said.

 

[Hayabusa]

There has not been an Iranian response yet. We are still waiting for it. It seems to defused since an hour ago.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So far everyone announced dead proved to be dead. I will assume he’s dead

except no one announced he was dead ...

 

[Psyko70]

With all this cant sleep. Sl death sad to hear. However, this aint old times. Iran wont stop

 

[Toxic]

What do they plan to achieve with this "offensive"

 

[Dalit]

War doesn't work like that, my friend, let me explain: war has pre-established chains of command. If someone kills Trump and 50 other American generals, does that person win the war? NO! That would just be a marketing ploy; they would be replaced by others, and the war would continue. In several wars, like Vietnam, entire chains of command were devastated, but others come in, and others come in.

What the US/Israel want to do is create a NARRATIVE OF VICTORY, with media actions, assassinations, and kidnappings. And then use their spies inside to try to reach a good deal for them, something like, "This is the plan."

Brother, Iran must have an ace up its sleeve. Iran cannot win nor force a stalemate by firing missiles. At some point Iranian military leaders will have to reveal their ace. Currently the Iranians don't possess an ace.

The Israelis and Americans have a very clear objective. They will continue to eliminate as many Iranian military leaders as possible. We have now witnessed how they martyred the spiritual leader. That too on the very first day of the conflict.

If things continue in the current manner, things look bleak for the Iranian military leaders. Iran needs a way out. I think that a WMD is what will provide Iran a way out.

 

[Persian Gulf]

There has not been an Iranian response yet. We are still waiting for it. It seems to defused seem an hour ago.

missiles are likely being fuelled

we need to strike commercial shipping and all oil/gas infrastructure in the region

the region conspired to destroy us, and we must make them suffer with us and hold Trump responsible for the damage to the global economy

 

[Tehrani021]

With all this cant sleep. Sl death sad to hear. However, this aint old times. Iran wont stop

Same, I'll just have to power through to sehri time.

 

[Hayabusa]

missiles are likely being fuelled

we need to strike commercial shipping and all oil/gas infrastructure in the region

the region conspired to destroy us, and we must make them suffer with us and hold Trump responsible for the damage to the global economy

This is what I want to hear. Praying for Iran still.

 

[LittleFish]

Yep, they should've leased the chahbhar to China, focus on AF, various Air defense systems, and use diplomacy with Arabs. Those connections can do wonders even backdoor diplomacy can save you from complete destruction.
I mean China/Russia are nowhere near what USA is, and we have seen this now in fact we are to believe that China is closing gap but in fact i see the gap widening as world saw the first time a Genocide on live TV and social media, ethnic cleansing and because of USA support no one do anything about it, than Syria bomed/Lebanon bombed/Iraq bombed and world stood and watch, China not interested in protecting anyone, yes its good for China but you wont be making no allies with this attitude.

During Mao’s era we were just like Iran - devoted to “export revolution” and help other countries to pursue independence and security despite being poor and backward. But except few true friends like Pakistan, most of them turned their back to or even backstabbed us like Vietnam and Albania, with the West being much more hostile to us. With a broken heart and empty wallet, we got to know it was time to change, only help true friends and leave others be what it should be, and you all have seen the achievement.

We feel sorry for the tragedy of IRI, but God only help those help themselves, IRI has made too many strategical mistakes, especially diplomatically. There are always dudes saying we don’t help Iran enough, but it’s hard to stop a full-speed truck heading towards the cliff with multiple drivers contending the steering wheel. If resistance and martyrdom are the ideology of Shia Islam, then IR regime has achieved what it wants.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The Israelis and Americans have a very clear objective. They will continue to eliminate as many Iranian military leaders as possible. We have now witnessed how they martyred the spiritual leader. That too on the very first day of the conflict.

it's 'easy' for the US to kill commanders during a surprise strike on day 1

now everyone has moved to bunkers, lets see if they can keep it up

Israel on day 1 killed several IRGC-ASF commanders but largely was not able to kill their replacements for the rest of the 13 days