Aftermath of the Iran-US war and its effects on proximities

[EugeneP]

The aftermath of this war for Pakistan is that it will have another hostile neighbor on its border. Pakistan is already in the process of manufacturing another enemy in Afghanistan at someone else's behest. This essentially is going to be a complete encirclement of Pakistan. Now Pakistani think that they are at good terms and keeping the right balance. That is not how Powers at be would see it when this particular cattle (called Pakistan) turns come for the slaughter...
Humans and cattle have only one kind of relationship.

I most certainly hope to be wrong...

Why do you think an as-yet-unknown government will start its life with hostility towards its neighbors?

 

[codeforfood]

Why do you think an as-yet-unknown government will start its life with hostility towards its neighbors?

Because that hostility already exists but suppressed. It will be unleashed(utilized) once the mechanics that suppress them don't exist.

 

[HAIDER]

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[hasssanali8998]

Iranians cant stop failing.

The wife of Khomeoni also got assassinated .
Seriously ?

she was there with him and succumbed to her injuries today

 

[PakAl]

In order to get insights on the aftermath; we first have to understand why the current events are taking place. A topic which itself needs a whole thread.
But in short, USA has decided to pack up and leave the Middle East and split the world in spheres between USA, Russia and China while ensuring China's economic/industrial progress is thwarted by the closure of global waterways and like minded powerful governments are at the helm of oil producing countries like Iran/Venezuela. Current events are deliberate by design. Iran will soon swallow the "Gulf Statelets" while USA would look the other way.

Doesn't make any sense, why would Usa leave the middleeast when their outpost Israel still exists. All these recent wars are to give complete dominance to Israel, to make sure no opposition exists. In another words Usa and Israel axis becoming more strong.

 

[Musings]

Yeah, same formula as anti semetism. If anyone is speaking against Israel, they are branded Antisemitic.
Likewise criticizing Iran is branded sectarianism against Shia.

Constantly being critical of a sect for the mere fact they are followers of that sect is what you do. Your mind is fogged with hatred for Shia. You can criticise but be constructive. I have had 6 complaints about you and i am posting this as i know you personally and respect you. Dont push it where i have no choice bro. Let it go.

 

[Goenitz]

Rangers ne buhat acha kia

Great job by the rangers---.

Then the government openly owns that, which is why it was lawful, right, and good for the public. At least, it can prevent such future incidents.
Give those rangers personnel medals, make songs about them so other security personnel can follow.
Why does the government have to shy away from such upright things?

Gunah ki Pehchan: "Gunah woh hai jo tere dil mein khatkay (bechaini paida kare) aur tu pasand na kare ke logon ko iska pata chale." [1.2.1, 1.4.3]

Defining Sin: "Sin is that which wavers in your heart (causes discomfort or unease) and which you dislike for people to find out about."

Musnad Ahmad (#22856) also in Sahih Muslim

 

[EugeneP]

Doesn't make any sense, why would Usa leave the middleeast when their outpost Israel still exists. All these recent wars are to give complete dominance to Israel, to make sure no opposition exists. In another words Usa and Israel axis becoming more strong.

But it is certainly possible, if Iran is no longer a danger to its neighbors, for U.S. to pull out some/many of the bases from Middle East. Many of the bases first came into existence after 1990 Kuwait attack by Iraq and have lived on. With the end of Iran war, there is no meaningful justification to continue all those bases. After all, NATO presence is there in Turkey and U.S. presence in Diego Garcia. Also, difficult it may be to believe, Trump likes to cut spending on foreign bases.

 

[maxpane]

Then the government openly owns that, which is why it was lawful, right, and good for the public. At least, it can prevent such future incidents.
Give those rangers personnel medals, make songs about them so other security personnel can follow.
Why does the government have to shy away from such upright things?

Gunah ki Pehchan: "Gunah woh hai jo tere dil mein khatkay (bechaini paida kare) aur tu pasand na kare ke logon ko iska pata chale." [1.2.1, 1.4.3]

Defining Sin: "Sin is that which wavers in your heart (causes discomfort or unease) and which you dislike for people to find out about."

Musnad Ahmad (#22856) also in Sahih Muslim

Laatun k bhoot batun se mahn manty.
Next time ,when they try to do such an idiotic act ,they will think twice.
The Hadith: Nu'aym ibn Mas'ud reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say to the two messengers of Musaylimah: “By Allah, were it not that diplomats are not killed, I would strike both of your necks.” (Source: Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abu Dawud - deemed authentic/hasan by various scholars).

Hadith: “Whoever kills a mu'ahid (a person granted protection) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Source: Bukhari).
Context: Scholars define mu'ahid as a non-Muslim whose country has a treaty of peace, or a foreign envoy given protection during their stay.

In the 8th year of Hijrah, the Prophet (ﷺ) sent an envoy, Harith ibn Umayr al-Azdi, to the Ghassanids. When they killed him, the Prophet (ﷺ) considered this an act of war, as killing an ambassador violated international law and the principles of safety, leading to the Battle of Mu'tah.

is that enough proof for you?

 

[RescueRanger]

Hi,

Great job by the rangers---.

I concur.

 

[maxpane]

Hi,

Here is the crux of what she stated

"I was a student of cross religious studies and I chose Islam. I read that the day when Mohammad ( pbuh ) died---there was no food in the house. There were 8 swords hanging on the wall---but his wife pawned his chain mail to buy flour for bread and oil for the lamp".

She further staed that " when you win a war---no one asks you had eggs for breakfast or if had butter & jam for your bread ".

She further added---" no one now knows what a poor background the muslims came from---but all the world knows about them now ".

May 9th/10th proived it right that " victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan---".

sorry i just mix it up all

 

[Goenitz]

Laatun k bhoot batun se mahn manty.
Next time ,when they try to do such an idiotic act ,they will think twice.
The Hadith: Nu'aym ibn Mas'ud reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say to the two messengers of Musaylimah: “By Allah, were it not that diplomats are not killed, I would strike both of your necks.” (Source: Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abu Dawud - deemed authentic/hasan by various scholars).

Hadith: “Whoever kills a mu'ahid (a person granted protection) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Source: Bukhari).
Context: Scholars define mu'ahid as a non-Muslim whose country has a treaty of peace, or a foreign envoy given protection during their stay.

In the 8th year of Hijrah, the Prophet (ﷺ) sent an envoy, Harith ibn Umayr al-Azdi, to the Ghassanids. When they killed him, the Prophet (ﷺ) considered this an act of war, as killing an ambassador violated international law and the principles of safety, leading to the Battle of Mu'tah.

is that enough proof for you?

When did I say attacking a diplomatic enclave is right, let alone the diplomat inside?

The whole fiasco could have been prevented if the roads leading to these buildings had been barricaded, as usual.
Mohsin Nqavi, as he is a failure in the news channel and cricket, failed as the interior minister. It was his job to anticipate that after Khamnaei demise, the roads should have been blocked.

As per Islamic references, you know very well the sanctity of human lives. Women were spared even in wars. Are you sure those women were attacking or wearing some suicide belt or were legitimate targets?

The only plausible reason is that rangers did/do not bother to discriminate because they know there is no accountability. Pakistanis are either goem, adversary, enemy or cheaper than livestock.

 

[maxpane]

When did I say attacking a diplomatic enclave is right, let alone the diplomat inside?

The whole fiasco could have been prevented if the roads leading to these buildings had been barricaded, as usual.
Mohsin Nqavi, as he is a failure in the news channel and cricket, failed as the interior minister. It was his job to anticipate that after Khamnaei demise, the roads should have been blocked.

As per Islamic references, you know very well the sanctity of human lives. Women were spared even in wars. Are you sure those women were attacking or wearing some suicide belt or were legitimate targets?

The only plausible reason is that rangers do not bother to discriminate, as there is no accountability.

Next time, they will have to think about the consequences.

We have lost countless innocent souls and not a single protest was held in Iran. In the last year, nobody was protesting for us in Iran. Not a single event of burning the Indian embassy.

People have to decide: are you Pakistani or Iranian? Nobody is going to come to your aid, so learn to live in reality. This emotional, animalistic behaviour should end now.

People should learn to respect Pakistan's interests first. And when you commit acts like burning, be ready for the consequences.

Peaceful protest is their right nobody can deny that. But if you burn and attack an embassy, then security forces have every right to protect them

 

[Reddington]

Doesn't make any sense, why would Usa leave the middleeast when their outpost Israel still exists. All these recent wars are to give complete dominance to Israel, to make sure no opposition exists. In another words Usa and Israel axis becoming more strong.

No. Israel and the gulf states have been abandoned by USA. They both are a liability now for USA. USA will pull away soon and the Middle East will go back to old ways. Iran and the Turkey will gain the most.

 

[Goenitz]

Next time, they will have to think about the consequences.

These things could have been proactively avoided using less lethal methods. I hope the precedent is engraved in the public.

We have lost countless innocent souls and not a single protest was held in Iran. In the last year, nobody was protesting for us in Iran. Not a single event of burning the Indian embassy.

We have emotional, religious, social and political connectivity with India and Afghanistan. We are only contacted to Iran and the Gulf as the recipient of religious ideology. So, yes they will not protest for us as such. Just they are happy if we win with India etc.

People have to decide: are you Pakistani or Iranian? Nobody is going to come to your aid, so learn to live in reality. This emotional, animalistic behaviour should end now.

Iran is our neighbour, which affects our interests like our pact with the SA. Yes, nobody comes to our aid but covertly, as Iran did, Gulf did and nowadays China.

People should learn to respect Pakistan's interests first. And when you commit acts like burning, be ready for the consequences.

Peaceful protest is their right nobody can deny that. But if you burn and attack an embassy, then security forces have every right to protect them

Still, burning is not liable to death. The Karachi consulate thing was escalated as people entered the property with malicious intent. The Rangers opened fire in Islamabad to disperse the protestors.

Pak has no freedom of speech, assembly or expression at the moment.