Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Master Chief]

Mortality bends to necessity. The following is a very famous line in The Prince by Machiavelli:

"Hence it is necessary for a prince wishing to hold his own to know how to do wrong, and to make use of it or not according to necessity."

To understand the West, you have to read and read some more; its philosophical thought has been built over centuries.

Excellent interpretation and illustration of western duplicity in pursuit of selfish interests.

However I must differ with your tacit implication that we in the eastern world fundamentally do not have cognisance of this stark truth that underpins most of human nature. We most certainly do know of this game. Chanakiya is our continent's most notorious proponent and would have given Machiavelli a run for his money!

 

[Eşbah]

They are working on Micro-Satellite Launching System (MSLS) project of their own.

MSLV (Micro SLV) launch 2026
SIMSEK 1 launch 2027
SIMSEK 2 launch 2028-2030





They are making their own home built engine.
Testing should be this year and a time table by 2032 to be integrated.

I am not a weapons expert on Turkish weapons industry. I will leave that to my Turkish brothers like @Eşbah @hyperman

You cannot ignore their strides in drone capability, MBT, 5th generation aircraft building, frigates and corvettes, MURAD radar system, etc





Fighter aircraft’s are just one part of the equation. You have to have a capable air-force to go along with your ballistic missile capabilities and a layered air defense systems.

How much more powerful would Iran be if it had capable fighter aircraft to contest Israeli F35s?

Brother, I appreciate you tagging me. Your view of Turkey aligns closely with the actual ground realities, but let's refrain from discussing it any further because hell will freeze over, pigs will learn to fly and Netanyahu will become a Muslim before any PDF Iranian says something positive about Turkey. Let's focus on the thread's topic instead.

 

[Immortals]

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[Unknowntruth]

The problem with a lot of people is that they see everything as black and white. It’s not that simple, sometimes you have to bite your tongue and work with those whose interest maybe do not align or maybe even butt heads.

Geopolitics doesn’t care if you are a good guy or bad guy. You have to play the game to survive.

Read my new posted I quoted.

Did he not create the chaos by training ISIS and Al-Qaida terrorists and send them to Syria? They even provided Isis material to gas Syrians. Turkey chose to take a side, with Israel of course.

And because you talk about «the vast majority» Doesn’t the vast majority of Sunni Palestinians dislike Israel? Turkey supplied Israel with energy and arms while Gaza was being genocided, and they still are btw. Taking sides with Israel as usual.

But go ahead and keep telling me how Turkey is going to destroy Israel

The Syrian topic is a long and complicated issue.

No, Turkey did not side with Israel. It aligned with those who would benefit and secure her borders. If Assad was still in power after this civil war, do you think he could’ve took the land that the Kurds took and protected by the U.S.?

This is a whole other discussion and it’s not as black and white as you make it out to be.

 

[SecularNationalist]

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Mossad is desperately trying to turn regional countries against Iran. Because Iran is succeeding in creating a pressure on Israel,US. Iran is owning it's attacks on other countries where US bases are but it didn't attack Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Why don’t we start worshipping Baal and sell our souls to Israel so we can reap the benefits then? We need to draw the line somewhere, the line I draw starts and ends when you cross into Zionist territory

No one is saying that, you have to learn to navigate the geopolitical game instead of making threats when you actually do not have the capabilities to make good on them.

How many Iranians are dead or are going to end up dying?

IMO, it’s better to lay low and work on your military capabilities where tens of thousand or maybe even hundreds of thousands of Iranians may end up being dead depending on how long this goes on.

Iran should’ve upgraded their fighter aircraft and defense capabilities instead of running its mouth.

 

[maverick]

The Video of the yak downing has been released and it does not look like pilot survived. The two Parachutes seen yesterday were not from the Yak.

Then whose parachutes were they ?

 

[Flotilla]

We will see how it plays out, everyone acts in their own self interest.

I see it this way

Is it better to act like Turkey or being a North Korea cut off from the rest of the world?

Very good question. Both have risks. And for sure under pressure probably North Korea is working better. But obviously the national sacrifice is inmense. But your question is very legitimate.

 

[Shags101]

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Problem is why would you believe anyone when you got burned several times already we are past the full me twice shame on me Iran followed the nuclear agreement they did everything right if they had a nuclear agreement it was scrapped in early 209 everyone agrees to that American intelligence as well

 

[PakFactor]

Excellent interpretation and illustration of western duplicity in pursuit of selfish interests.

However I must differ with your tacit implication that we in the eastern world fundamentally do not have cognisance of this stark truth that underpins most of human nature. We most certainly do know of this game. Chanakiya is our continent's most notorious proponent and would have given Machiavelli a run for his money!

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Correct, every society has such philosophers, but some are greater than others. Except we fail to act upon such teachings.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Excellent interpretation and illustration of western duplicity in pursuit of selfish interests.

However I must differ with your tacit implication that we in the eastern world fundamentally do not have cognisance of this stark truth that underpins most of human nature. We most certainly do know of this game. Chanakiya is our continent's most notorious proponent and would have given Machiavelli a run for his money!

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Yea we descendants of chanakya still following his footsteps lol. We call our castes proudly even before a fight starts and some of us become relatives of army generals or EX ISI agents when a traffic warden stops us for traffic violation

 

[Beast89]

Iran is fighting against a Evangelic crusader force that seeks to convert people to Evangelism by force

This is a religious war

And the Arabs are helping the crusaders

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Problem is why would you believe anyone when you got burned several times already we are past the full me twice shame on me Iran followed the nuclear agreement they did everything right if they had a nuclear agreement it was scrapped in early 209 everyone agrees to that American intelligence as well

but going all out against USA, is'nt wise at all

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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No matter how many times they try to hide effects of Iranian and Hezbollah missiles on Tel Aviv, the truth is coming out.

 

[KingQamaR]

Epstein was just one of the many many insidious plots, conspiracies and subterfuge used by zionists from time immemorial. Zionist stranglehold of the western economies and decision making goes back centuries, long before this lates Epstein episode.

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