Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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VCheng said:
It has happened many times in the past as well, and I have learnt my lesson, just like Iran, I suppose. One must stay within one's limits.

On topic, the fire in Tehran and the destruction ot desalination plants means greater and greater fallout for the civilian populations, and that is regrettable.
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Ah! So you are advising Muslims to choose the path of slavery? And subservience?

Then you know nothing about our history and our faith!!

When one our nation is ransacked - another rises up to destroy the enemy.

I suggest you read the history of the crusades and the destruction wrought by the Mongols.

Muslims go through periods of defeat but each one leads to greater victories.

And more importantly the rise in our numbers.

Our faith is not about materialism, it’s about our numbers.
 
Gryzor said:
I am not saying that Iran itself didn't fail in securing strategic partnership before that era of war started. Adressing Iran's own real many shortcomings vis à vis its prime possible allies was not the point of post.

What I meant was that the possible breakup of Iran ar this crucial juncture? and/or its takeover by a government friendly exclusively or very preferentially to to the Western sphere of influence bent on cancelling its crucially benefitial energy relationships with Beijing, not to mention its geography that has direct impact of the BRI project , would quell a large part of China's most important geopolitical ambitions. Like it or not, Iran as it exists now is a unique asset to longer term Chinese power projection, goods transportation and again, energy. Any drastic change in its state structure will mostly benefit its American competitor rather than its own.

What I mean is that there are plenty of non-kinetic ways in which China can help Iran today, under the guise of "humanitarian aid" which the US does plenty of when projecting forces. I am obviously not expecting direct ,frontal military intervention with Chinese J-11 squadrons litteraly flying in the face of IAF of USN jets, this is not Call of Duty and I understand China has indeed zero incentive or benefit in starting a hot war over Iran , this is not that kind of relationship and such action would be nonsensical. They can send in a solid flotilla including air defense ships to the shores of the Persian Gulf or in the immediate vicinity of the Indian Ocean, all of that is feasible without entering in direct contact with US/Israeli operation but could tacitly diminish their margin for maneuver operationnally while providing crucial intel to any remaining Iranian air-defense asset or missile forces moving around with EW data, create jamming bubbles in crucial corridors and other ECM to passively disrupt and degrade PGM efficiency etc... What I find deplorable is that total visible lack of any indication of any of these passive , low-cost and low-risk initiatives that do not even imply physical entanglement with US/Israeli forces over Iran as it is only an air campagin so far. It incidactes imho a level of strategic shortsightedness on the part of the PRC that I certainly did not expect at the level.
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They are happening I believe, help is being provided but it is not in the west interests to highlight to highlight this.

That would then suggest the Americans have to pressure the Chinese and this war does not even have legal approval within USA

Also, any shipping route of course will be difficult for China
 
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Indian national accepts, there were many indians working for Mossad inside IR

Jordinian Intel. knows this and IR is also aware of this
 
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