Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[baqai]

i have my ban hammer ready, few folks in this thread need some time out, no warning this time

 

[albritani]

@albritani tone down the sectarian posts please. This goes for others too. That nonsense will not be tolerated on PDF

I have no sectarian opinions, I am a revert and avoided all the sunni/Shia nonsense .

 

[Feroze]

Can one day middle Eastern nations just accept responsibility for the shit shows that often occur there and not blame the Jews. How weak of a nation can some be when a few million Jews and support from the USA can destroy a nation

Never known a more pompous people with a superiority complex but any achievements that they have were 328 generations ago.

Thats because the American empire is the strongest empire of our times. Israel is USA.

 

[TopGun786]

was it unprovoked? Think back to October 2023, I'm not arguing if Iran's actions were right or wrong. Iran backed Hamas did kick start this Israeli response. Let's put morality aside for a minute, I'd totally understand if the Iranian regime fulfilled its obligations to its own people before involving itself in becoming the champion for Palestine and Gaza. Your first priority must be your own citizens.

Shall teach you history of Israeli genocide which goes many decades before October 2023?
Don't act like as an ignorant. And BTW hamas did nothing wrong.

 

[SD 10]

UAE is doomed.

Best thing i have seen

 

[Watandar]

That won't be acceptable to the warring side as it will leave the ability to threaten shipping in another dispute. I was enquiring about a military solution to removing the threat permanently with least amount of fighting.

Unless the Iranians completely collapse I don't see any easy military solutions in the current Hormuz Strait situation. All land based actions will be escalatory.

Mr Trump seems to be going for seizing the Kharg Island oil terminal while simultaneously attacking Iranian coastal defenses. Maybe he intends to declare victory after that and end the war but to me, its further flawed thinking.

 

[Master Chief]

well you are preaching to the choir at this point. I don't disagree that this war has no justification except to make Israel and Saudi happy. It's probably also about Iranian oil.But you can't argue that Iran is wholly innocent and has no contribution toward this outcome.

I would be specific here.

USA has no need for Iranian oil. It is far far cheaper for USA to exert control over non-middle eastern oil sources, and it can do so without any significant military action either (Venezuela is a good case in point).

USA does however, at Israel's behest, wish to deprive Iran of being able to use its own oil for its own sovereign purposes, as such a course of action will incapacitate Israel's major enemy. For the same reason, USA has slowly eroded Iran's economy and strangulated its sovereign right to trade.

You and others on this thread may suggest I am splitting hairs, BUT by diluting the "rationale" of this war, we let Tel Aviv off the hook and perpetually fall into the trap of assuming that USA is the colonial imperialist nation state that is behind all this.

You would know American history better than me. Its founding fathers would have had nothing to do with Tel Aviv's imperialism.

When you consider the middle east through this perspective (not for middle eastern oil per se, but to deprive Israel's competitors of their natural leverage over Israel), suddenly the last hundred years of American involvement in the middle east becomes much simpler to understand.

"USA is in the middle east for its oil" is an oversimplified trap, almost a red herring, which lefties, centrists, MAGA, and rightists alike fall into routinely.

 

[Watandar]

Can one day middle Eastern nations just accept responsibility for the shit shows that often occur there and not blame the Jews. How weak of a nation can some be when a few million Jews and support from the USA can destroy a nation

Never known a more pompous people with a superiority complex but any achievements that they have were 328 generations ago.

This is a Zionist reading of history and not what has actually happened in the past 120 years.

 

[dbc]

Shall teach you history of Israeli genocide which goes many decades behind October 2023?
Don't act like as an ignorant. And BTW hamas did nothing wrong.

I did say set morality aside and simply look at it from the perspective of cause and effect. I realize it's difficult to be objective and rationale under current circumstance.

From your perspective, Iran is fighting evil Israel. From my perspective both are responsible for the plight of Palestine along with muslim nations and western democracies.

 

[dbc]

I would be specific here.

USA has no need for Iranian oil. It is far far cheaper for USA to exert control over non-middle eastern oil sources, and it can do so without any significant military action either (Venezuela is a good case in point).

USA does however, at Israel's behest, wish to deprive Iran of being able to use its own oil for its own sovereign purposes, as such a course of action will incapacitate Israel's major enemy. For the same reason, USA has slowly eroded Iran's economy and strangulated its sovereign right to trade.

You and others on this thread may suggest I am splitting hairs, BUT by diluting the "rationale" of this war, we let Tel Aviv off the hook and perpetually fall into the trap of assuming that USA is the colonial imperialist nation state that is behind all this.

You would know American history better than me. Its founding fathers would have had nothing to do with Tel Aviv's imperialism.

When you consider the middle east through this perspective (not for middle eastern oil per se, but to deprive Israel's competitors of their natural leverage over Israel), suddenly the last hundred years of American involvement in the middle east becomes much simpler to understand.

"USA is in the middle east for its oil" is an oversimplified trap, almost a red herring, which lefties, centrists, MAGA, and rightists alike fall into routinely.

lol you only have to work out how Venezuela oil revenue is managed at this time to know that this arrangement is making some people very wealthy. And you know what the wealthy crave...more wealth of course. If only there was another oil rich nation with political and economic instability ....that could be exploited?I don't doubt that there is a financial motive.

 

[Taimoor]

Questions should be raised back home, if the Muneer military regime entered into this defence pact with SA having Iran in mind? Current dispensation in Pakistan is too close to Zionists which should create all sorts of doubts about them.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

That's $1.015 per litre

 

[Ali_Baba]

And this is how it is done.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israels-imports-azerbaijani-oil-via-turkey-jump-despite-ankaras-trade-ban-2026-01-21/

 

[Anatolia]

I was wondering why Oil just went up

 

[Brutal.]