Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Highly unlikely Iran agrees to a ceasefire without:

A) addressing issue of reparations

B) addressing issue of sanctions

C) addressing issue of future attacks

D) addressing issue of nuclear program

It would be a big mistake on the side of Iran if they agree to anything less than treaty level agreement.

Or else just like the June war, US/Israel will re arm, re strategize, re group etc and come back in months to years.

Iran cannot keep playing the stait of Hormuz card an infinite amount of times.

Thus this war must be a war that leads to a permanent conclusion one way or another. And I said this war should have been done back in 2023-2024 when Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iraqi PMU, Syria were all at near full strength.

Instead many Iranian users said it was implausible for us to fight America and Israel at the same time and dismissed any notion that the “enemy” would eventually bring the fight to Iran directly. They seemed to think Iran still had enough deterrence. Unfortunately since 2020 Solemani killing all they showed Trump was in fact weakness in his mind.
They asked for 200 billion dollars yesterday. There will be no ceasefire. They are being deceitful again. Be ready for major escalation.
Agreed on both counts, doesn't make sense for Iran to just ready up for round 2 in half a year/a year while still under heavy sanctions, and yes, the US posturing is not indicative of anything even resembling a wind-down. In general I think it's more or less okay to at least send some kind of diplomat to hear proposals out, if only to maintain the appearance of being open to negotiations (Russia is pretty big on that, they always go out of their way to say 'yes we're ready to negotiate' then turn around and place an offer that the other side will never in a million years accept, they've done it with Ukraine in negotiations after Istanbul 2022), if that is the reason anyone traveled from Tehran to Moscow. The reason could also simply be military technical cooperation, and this source just mixed up recent rumors that indicate that the US is looking for an off-ramp in some fashion, probably as part of a deception.

As an aside, Estonia has once again been demolished.
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Look at Arabs , how happy they are when Irani drone hit a US base. But look at Arab rulers. They sold their souls to devil:

Dear Iran, we are proud of you.
 
What did the fake kings in UAE do to get such a response?

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thanks for laying out the ground work for me.
I will try to be conscise as I cant add anything futher or repeat what you said, but I want to highlight a velnurabilty that affects Pakistan and Iran. that is when Pakistan enters this war on Saudis demands.

this one-sided defense arrangement with the Saudis. (I call it walk the plank while a shotgun is aimed on your back by saudis)
What exactly are we honoring? The Saudis are demanding Pakistan activate a deal that was apparently sealed with two currencies: the blood of Pakistani soldiers who would fight Iran, and the blood of ordinary Pakistani citizens who will bear the cost of a direct conflict—both from the war itself and from the advantage India and its proxies (Afghan Taliban, BLA, TTP) will inevitably take the moment our western front ignites.

The structure of this arrangement has always been asymmetrical. When the Afghan Taliban attacked Pakistan from across the border, where was the Saudi division? When India conducted airstrikes , did Riyadh activate anything? No. The deal only seems to work one way: when Saudi interests are in play, Pakistan is expected to show up with its soldiers. When Pakistan bleeds, the Saudis don't even send a statement (ok they do but it can be confused with a staement from Jameca).
Whether by design or consequence, look at what's unfolded.
Israel provoked Iran into attacking GCC economic infrastructure—followed by false flags, followed by follow-up strikes on Iranian oil and gas when Tehran was not retaliating enough against the Gulf states. Now, Israel has successfully forced Pakistan into the war through the Saudi interface. That's the strategic victory for Tel Aviv: they don't need to fight Iran directly. They just activated a chain where Pakistan does it for them, bound by a deal we signed decades ago and can't walk away from because of dollars. now imagine the Israeli's and indians rubbing their hands with anticipation, their two worst enemies might fight each other because their common economic and strategic ally i.e. Saudi Arabia wills it on Pakistan.

you know, our political parties and clergy (mostly Deobandi) has always termed Pakistan afight against TTP as mercernary war for dollars. our oppostion party and the clerics have always lambasted Pakistan army for fighting "own people" while being mute when their "own brothers" conducted massive terror operations.
I'm going to say something that will make some people uncomfortable. This will be the second real example of the Pakistan Army functioning as a mercenary force—doing the bidding of a foreign power, fighting a war that isn't ours. I am not talking about the fight against the Khawarij. That was, and always will be, Pakistan's war. The TTP, Al-Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban factions that target us—that's our fight, no questions asked.

But the first time we crossed that line was Bahrain. Pakistanis went in to quell an uprising, got paid for it, and then became shy when invited into the Yemen meatgrinder. The Saudis have not forgotten that hesitation. Now they are calling in the favor, and the price of saying no again may be more than this state can afford.

This isn't to question the bravery of Pakistani soldiers. It is to point out that when national defense policy is dictated by the need to protect remittance flows and loan rollovers, strategic autonomy is effectively outsourced. The Pakistan Army—the institution we all revere—is being reduced to a force that picks its wars not based on national interest but based on which foreign capital it cannot afford to lose.

let me tie it all together after Gen Munir threw an iftar dinner to our Shia community leaders and clerics.
General Munir met with Shia clerics and elders. He was not asking for permission. Hehas laid out the strategic compulsion.

his message was simple: the Pakistani state has no choice but to accept Saudi demands to confront Iran. how? that remains to be seen, will Pakistan man the oil fields and borders or will it send in its forces to attack and destroy the drone and missile sites attacking Saudis (something that Israelis and Americans have not fully succeeded but Pakistan is supposed to do so?) All the diplomacy, all the requests for calm, all the behind-the-scenes efforts to de-escalate—none of it has been good enough for Riyadh. Pakistan is now at a point where it must choose the lesser of two evils.

The options were laid out clearly:
  • Option one: resist Saudi pressure and risk the immediate deportation of nearly two million Pakistani workers, the end of Saudi loans, and the collapse of a foreign reserve framework that has been propping up this country for years.
  • Option two: comply with Saudi demands, confront Iran, make a third hostile neighbor, and indirectly hand the BLA, TTP, Afghan Taliban, and India exactly what they want—chaos along the entire western front while our forces are stretched beyond breaking point.
The Shia leadership was effectively told that diplomacy has run its course. And that Iran must not mistake Pakistan's restraint for weakness when the order comes it might have to do something which Americans and other GCC countries have not done ye (and maybe wont do). enter Iran from the east, yes its risky but Saudis are willing to risk Pakistani lives.
Let's be clear what a confrontation with Iran actually means.

A front with Iran means Pakistan's entire western border, from Chabahar to the Torkham Gate becomes a single theater. The BLA and the TTP will not fight Iran. They will exploit the redeployment of Frontier Corps and army units away from Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. India, meanwhile, will use its Chabahar leverage to tighten the noose while our attention is fixed elsewhere.

This isn't just a war with Iran. It's the ungoverned space crisis multiplied by three. now make a guess, will Saudis lose any sleep over this scenario? I know our military planners are not having much sleep.

Finally
in short, Pakistan is cooked—much to the delight of our neighboring adversaries and the domestic doom-mongers who compete with Afghan and Indian trolls to spell Pakistan's collapse.

But the tragedy is not trolls. The tragedy is that a state with the region's most battle-hardened army has allowed its strategic choices to be defined by remittance diplomacy and loan rollovers. Gen Munir's message to the Shia clerics was clear: the Saudis have drawn a line, and Pakistan must choose the 'lesser evil.' The problem is that both options—capitulation or confrontation—lead to the same place: a fragmented western front, emboldened militants, and a strategic vacuum that India and its proxies will fill.

Pakistan fought the Khawarij because that was our war. If we fight Iran, it won't be. And everyone from Tehran to New Delhi to Tel Aviv—already knows it.
Don't forget that, according to conventional reporting sources, MBS himself was asking Trump to get into this war before it began.

That is enough reason, alongside the electronics infrastructure they provide through their hosted US bases, to consider Saudi Arabia an offensive belligerent, and not in a defensive position.

I'm guessing that doesn't matter though, as they have the rope around our neck with their economic leverage, as per your well written post. It'd be better to just really delve deep into becoming a chinese vassal in exchange for economic support (if thats a possibility), than to go down this suicidal path. Or even better, to navigate the economic consequences successfully, but who trusts the elites to pull that off......

If a country doesn't take care of responsibilities, in terms of security, in terms of economics, (perhaps also: in terms of civil society), servanthood is in its destiny. Pakistan has been pretending the latter two factors don't even exist.....
 
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As the war is progressing I am becoming more and more confused. People say it's a war between people of God and people of Satan. But hey let's have a look at both camps :

In one camp:
Iran(Muslims) , China ( atheists) , Russia ( Christian) , North Korea ( atheists), Some Jews of New York and around the world, some Hindu scholars.

Other camp
UAE, Saudia, Jordan , Bahrain ( Muslims) , EU ( Christians), India ( Hindus) , Israel ( Jews), Azerbaijan ( Muslims), Qatar, USA..

Now I am dizzy 😵

Let me simplify it for you.... It's the demonic terrorist Zionists versus the anti-Zionist.

Dizziness gone.
 
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so nato is running from Iraq they probably have solid evidence if this war goes into double overtime these guys are going to go on a real war footing I’m really surprised that they haven’t evacuated this base and honestly many other American bases in Iraq 2500 hundred troops versus 100 plus thousand heavily armed Iraqi fighters odds are not good Air Force or not they get the signal from Iran I guess it’s game over in Iraq no matter if the death will be lopsided Iraqi military won’t be fighting those men for trump any more than the afghani military fought the Taliban
News/rumors circulation on twitter is that fire is becoming massive and ammunition depot/storage is on fire.

Maths dont add up for US/Nato troops in Iraq. Pro Iran or Shia militias which are in huge number, close to 200k has not even started participating yet. PMU which is alliance of these militias are largely silent physically.

Only a new player, calls themselves saraya awliya al-dam is accepting the responsibility of attacks along with videos of attack.
 
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I think it is doubt that this war will be stop soon or continue til 3-6 months? Economy will go bankrupt!
 
At the end if certain folks have loyalty to Iran vs Pakistan then really there is nothing stopping them. (just as it would be if the Iranian people wanted to help Pakistan but the Iranian state chooses to remain neutral due to its relationship with both India and Pakistan).
Pakistan at a state level has chosen to do its best and remain as a neutral party between GCC and Iran - Israel/US arent a primary or even teritiary driving factor in this relationship.

After all, if Iran has used its overt manipulation of the Shia Religious leadership in Pakistan to send thousands of Pakistanis to die for Iran's own geopolitical needs then surely those people can go and do the same if they feel their loyalties to Iran outweigh those to Pakistan but at an individual level. The state of Pakistan cannot be compelled to do Iran's bidding and must look out for it's interest just as Iran did when it allowed India to operate spies and operatives against the Pakistani state.

It is illogical to suggest that the majority of Pakistanis dont feel what is happening to Iran as unjust and a direct war against muslims but statecraft takes precedence unfortunately and always has over any Muslim brotherhood and to pretend Iran doesn't do the same is hypocrisy.
Shia and rest of Pakistani people are only alarmed at possibility of Pakistani government helping the enemies of iranian muslims and nothing else.
 

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