Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Gryzor said:
Is is so increasingly unbearable to see so much of Iran's valuable infrastructure getting slowly eroded to death, for real. Norouz PIrouz to everyone but this one is by far the most bitter I ever had tonight, right on the eve of a very painful spectacle of destruction of the Caspian Fleet and its precious shipbuilding units.

For the most knowledgeable people in this forum, I have an "industrial" question.
Let's assume, no matter how unlikely, that the war somehow came to a mid-term end say in a matter of a week.

How long do you believe it would take Iran, considering the known, reported and measured damages to its industrial base, to at least reestablish its maritime and port infrastructure to the point of being able to refurbish or produce anything again ? rebuild its airports without even talking about aircraft acquisitions down the line ?

I know that most of the Missile and drone R&D, Assembly, storage and production chains are well -protected in underground "cities" and bar some of the elements that cannot be interred for safety reasons like thruster testing and propellant mixing, so I'm that *that* worried, even though we don't know obviously the extent to which they've been able to preserve those machine-tool and assets.

BUt what of Shiraz and the optics industries that once again were bombed, even more heavily than the 12-day war ? do you guys have any idea of emergency "desist and preserve" protocols in effect, existing or enacted to protect their most valuable components where feasible ? what of the pharmaceutical machines that were among the first to be destroyed by the IAF in the opening days of the war, as cowardly and fascistic a fashion as they always do ? I guess the aerospace sector is dead and buried for a long time, ditto the nuclear apparatus, bar maybe Bushehr.

This is so horrible to watch, and I suppose I'm trying to rationalize as a means of coping but still, those aren't completely pointless to ask. So many things they destroyed already, it's truly heartbreaking. Everything lost is lost for the nation, the flag, not even a given political regime that one may like or dislike. It's Iran getting physically torn apart bit by bit, notwithstanding its heroic resilience and resistance.

Are we talking the 10-year ballpark ? 15 ? 20 ? more ? unfixable at some levels bar major partnerships and Chinese-supported "Marshall plans" ? (that I doubt very much considering the let-down and minimal support during this war anyway....)

Thanks people.
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Unless Iran extracts significant amounts, through ships passing via Hormuz, nobody is gonna compensate Iran otherwise or help Iran rebuild.

This whole war ending, as well as Iran's ability to rebuild, now solely depends on how well and strongly Iran can keep control of Hormuz and let the world foot the bill of expensive oil as Iran taxes all shipping in order to help rebuild whatever it has lost. That is the only way Iran is gonna recover whatever it is losing.

Because in case if control on Hormuz is not retained, then not only will the opportunity be gone but also there will be no end to hostilities against Iran to allow with any recovery. So lets hope Iran keeps knocking the teeth out of anyone that tries to take control of Hormuz and then the world can suffer for supporting israel by paying for expensive fuels and thank israel for it, for all anyone cares.
 
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I find these types of news more dangerous than saudi sites hit and saudi defence pact invocation possibilities. A crash with loose ends pointing at Iran would add Turkey, Pakistan into arabic countries mix which already have some hostile stance against Iran. Turkey and Pakistan has a deeper relationship than Saudi-Pak ties which is mostly economical.

isreal would like a muslim nato narrative against Iran which would find mass public audience in muslim countries as a security pact. But at the end everyone destroying each other where isreal only stands tall afterwards. Arab nations can also keep out of this if they dont allow airspace - land used against Iran like Turkey does not allow.

Some measures that needs to be combined together:

-invoke Russian radars in Latakia to monitor the source of ballistic trajectories. These should be compared to usa supplied radar data that always points back at Iran to accuse Iran. Putin san wont be doing anything against isreal so he should chill and this monitoring wont be helping Iran either but to detect trajectories and disprove false flags as a secondary objective radar source.

-Iran calculating ballistic trajectory effectively so that it is much further away from Turkish airspace while hitting isreal.
 
Saudi Arabia and the UAE are moving closer to supporting the US-Israel war effort by expanding base access and preparing for a longer conflict

Officials say attitudes in Riyadh now favor supporting the US war to punish Iran, but both states warn that direct offensive action could open a can of worms

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I don't know how Iran will survive with so many opponents?
 
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Russia Sanctions lifted, Iran Sanctions lifted .. while throwing Ukraine under the bus & fighting war for Israel and simultaneously reversing the sanctions that they placed to help Israel.

lol they are so deep in this BS of Israel that they are now fighting their own selves.

Identity crisis at strategic levels.
 
RocketLaw said:
I don't know how Iran will survive with so many opponents?
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Is this sarcastic? The US already had full access to UAE and SA territory. Militarily they have next to nothing to offer and are extremely vulnerable to counter-attack.
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
Kent definitely put it on the line. As did his wife. She was killed by a suicide bomber in Syria.
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She was likely killed by the Israeli linked Takfeeri ISIS... And that is why he knows who the real evil party is in this conflict. And it's not Iran....

It's Israel and it allied Takfeeri ISIS Al Qaeeda. The current Zionist poodle leader of Syria Jolani.
 
Posters here are unwittingly portraying Israel as omnipotent , omniscient and omnipresent entity that she is not..... your glorious rants are helping neither the Iranians , the Arabs or the Muslims at large..... scaremongering aside , there will be no pax Judea ... Israel's present adventure is akin to last kick of the dying horse..... middle east belongs to Muslims , it's future trajectory will be decided by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan... unfortunately , Iran overplayed her hand and is left with no cards to stay in the game .
 
tower9 said:
She’s a sellout scum. Too little too late.
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Careful what you wish for.

Her ultimate objectives are no different to Trump's.

She's a highly insidious person and more dangerous than Trump because she is calculating, rather than reckless.

Moreover, she is not compromised by Epstein allegations (even if he is not a nonce himself, Trump still needs to constantly shield himself from the distraction of this background contextual saga).

Lastly, Tulsi is vehemently pro-India, which Trump is definitely not.
 
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