Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

welcome back brother

Thank you, brother.

 

[Immortals]

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[Desert]

Iran was under harsh arms embargo until recent years. Iran was in the process of acquiring Modern aircraft before the war broke out.

Hasn't Iran bought the su-35 that was built for Egypt?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

How is this a post-truth ? This was discussed way before this war started, as a recurring issue ....

bec. of sanctions

 

[VCheng]

Food for thought for the Iranian Government that they neglected their AD, IADS and Airforce soo much that they needed permission from Israel to fly within their own airspace !!!

Was there an alternative to this flight? If not, then it was the correct thing to do, under the circumstances.

This does not mean that either side has won the war. It still remains quite evenly matched. The outcomes are still awaited.

 

[PakAl]

Thank you, brother.

Usa Israel have striked Iran 16000 times during this war. Imagine the destruction cause. Iran has no choice but to negotiate a ceasefire. What Iran needs is gurantees from Russia China Pakistan Turkey that Usa Israel will not attack again, sanctions must be removed, Iran will not build the nukes, will not strike GCC or Israel. But yes i agree ceasefire must not be agreed without gurantees or else Usa Israel will attack again. A joint military base with China and Russia must also be agreed.

 

[Aryan_B]

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i love it lol

 

[Jango]

And when anyone suggests Iran needs a serious airforce, we get ridiculed.

Funny you mention this, just a couple days. back I was viewing a video of some IRGC official.

As per him, the logic behind focusing on the rocket force more than AF was that they could achieve parity and beat the US/Israeli defence systems in a shorter amount of time by investing in rockets. Going down the AF route and building up the industry and then manufacturing would take them a decade at best.

After all, North Korea does not have jets, they have missiles!

Smart move though IMO, as long as you have a capable AD deterrent as well.

 

[VCheng]

Funny you mention this, just a couple days. back I was viewing a video of some IRGC official.

As per him, the logic behind focusing on the rocket force more than AF was that they could achieve parity and beat the US/Israeli defence systems in a shorter amount of time by investing in rockets. Going down the AF route and building up the industry and then manufacturing would take them a decade at best.

After all, North Korea does not have jets, they have missiles!

Smart move though IMO, as long as you have a capable AD deterrent as well.

And Iran has used its missile arsenal very effectively until now, despite facing overwhelming conventional firepower. Overall, not a bad strategy at all.

 

[Kyussis]

You sold Iran C-802 missiles during the Iraq-Iran war. At least, of that particular deal, I am 100% certain it is true because we used C-802 missiles in that war and we still have a stockpile of them and even reverse-engineered it.

C-802s were sold in the early 1990s as part of the deal for ten Houdong (Tondar) fast attack missile boats for the IRGC Navy. Iran bought HY-2 Silkworm Anti ship missiles from China during the Iran Iraq war.

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Witkoff and Kishner and by extension the US have no diplomatic credibility at this point. There is no reason to believe they are serious about negotiations.

 

[maverick]

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Pakistan is now the lead mediator between the U.S. and Iran.

The Army chief called Trump. The PM called Iran's president.

The country holding the world's most important phone right now has a $108 oil problem and 220 million reasons to want this war over.

Source: FT

wow! How did we end up here ?

 

[Jango]

Food for thought for the Iranian Government that they neglected their AD, IADS and Airforce soo much that they needed permission from Israel to fly within their own airspace !!!

Alot of conflicting news.

1- Some say talks are maybe scheduled for Islamabad later in the week
2- This guy says talks already occured.
3- Trump posts as if it's a done deal
4- Iranis say nothing talked about.
5- SS calls the Irani PM, so do the Turks.

IMO the intermediaries might have been exchanging messages, the vibes are good, but no definitive date for the next round from either side. Interesting couple of days, or even hours. Would be a good diplomatic win for Pakistan here if it gets the job done.

Arabs would be more wary of Iran now, and might take Pakistan more seriously now, unless they want to embark on another round of shenanigans (same goes for Iran). Not everything has to be willy nilly bombarding and killing, play the smart and long game sometimes too.

 

[mangekyo]

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[东风夜放花千树]

i think its about time china starts throwing its weight around and take a leadership role in international affairs otherwise there will come a time when all 194 countries will be regime changed one by one by usa and then the whole world will come after china, 194 countries vs 1, do you think if it happens, china will be able to repel all the 194 vassals of the US empire?

china needs to break out of it's shell or it will stand all alone when the time comes.

Sorry, we are cautious in developing alliances.

We have been betrayed before. We supported Vietnam when we could barely feed ourselves. But after Vietnam was victorious, it attacked China, and later the two countries went to war.

How could it be all countries? The grandfather of North Korea's leader was a general in the Chinese army, and Pakistan has been China's friend for 75 years. Both of these are nuclear-armed countries.

China and Pakistan have established diplomatic relations for 75 years, and the diplomatic relationship between the two countries is getting better. We are willing to transfer technology and equipment to Pakistan. In China-Pakistan military cooperation, besides supplying equipment to Pakistan, we also improve the equipment according to Pakistan's military needs. Chinese universities train a large number of Pakistani talents. At the same time, we transfer technology and train military technical personnel in Pakistan, helping Pakistan build its military industry, hoping that Pakistan can achieve equipment localization.

China is the only country with a complete industrial system, China is the only country capable of striking anywhere in the world, China has the most advanced hypersonic missile technology, China is the only country applying robots to the military, and China has the most advanced drone and anti-drone technology.

As for the United States and its allies, sorry, we are preparing militarily to confront all countries. Our ancestors used their bodies to cover grenades to destroy tanks, our ancestors used fighter planes to ram other planes, our ancestors would rather freeze to death than disobey orders. We confronted the threats of the United States and the Soviet Union when we had nothing. We are not afraid of death, so we will achieve victory. If we cannot achieve victory, we do not mind disappearing together with all hostile countries.