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[MMM-E]

Foinikas you seem more upset than any Turk or Qatari is. lol

His Greece is so weak and produce nothing , still he is smiling here

It is highly probable that a massive salvo of 2000 specified Turkish missiles would largely neutralize or destroy Greece's existing and planned air defense systems (Patriot, S-300, Barak-MX, and Achilles Shield project) by 2030

BORA
TAYFUN
CENK
GEZGIN
ATMACA-UM
SOM
CAKIR
SUPER SIMSEK
300-ER
IHA-230

Also 300-500 of K-2 , SIMSEK-K , KEMANKES-2 long-range kamikaze Drones
Also Systems like 150+ km KUZGUN-TJ and GOKTAN are also coming.

Also , 100 ATACMS , 50 SLAM-ER and 95 HARM Missiles in inventory


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as of 2026 , even so easy to take Greece in a few days
to destroy all PATRIOT-S300s and to rape defenseless Greek military-strategic targets

 

[Foinikas]

You are just trash talking, Turkey or in that matter any country except US is producing exo-atmospheric intercepter missile.

You don't need exo-atmospheric for every ballistic missile,depending on the type for example TMB/SRBM and sometimes borderline MRBMS could be shot down with systems like Patriot PAC-2/3,Aster-30,S-400,HQ-9(?),David's Sling. At least in theory,sometimes in action too though,you can shoot down an MRBM with systems not dedicated to medium/long range ballistic missile defence.

 

[Sinan]

You don't need exo-atmospheric for every ballistic missile,depending on the type for example TMB/SRBM and sometimes borderline MRBMS could be shot down with systems like Patriot PAC-2/3,Aster-30,S-400,HQ-9(?),David's Sling. At least in theory,sometimes in action too though,you can shoot down an MRBM with systems not dedicated to medium/long range ballistic missile defence.

Yes, it's called layered air defense, if PAC-3 had failed to intercept others would engage for the last resort. PAC-3 didn't failed though. Though interception chance decreases after the re-entry.

 

[MMM-E]

Greece with only

You don't need exo-atmospheric for every ballistic missile,depending on the type for example TMB/SRBM and sometimes borderline MRBMS could be shot down with systems like Patriot PAC-2/3,Aster-30,S-400,HQ-9(?),David's Sling. At least in theory,sometimes in action too though,you can shoot down an MRBM with systems not dedicated to medium/long range ballistic missile defence.

Only Exoatmospheric THAAD , SM-3 , S-500 , ARROW-3 can intercept hypersonic MRBMs like Turkish CENK , TAYFUN Block-4 ( range of 1500-2000 km )



PAC-3 can intercept short range Ballistic Missiles like BORA and TAYFUN Block-1 ( range of 360-560-800 km )

 

[hyperman]

These projects come to fruitation with the efforts of Turkish engineers & workers and with the Turkish people's money. It's not like politicians did anything except signing a letter. Like are we thanking them because they are doing what they supposed to do?

So where were they all these years before? I don't know why people feel the need to deny that the Govt has specifically put an emphasis on domestic production and development at a scale and tempo not seen previously, when the govt came, it had a specific foreign policy in mind and it determined for the acting out of this political policy, it needs to remove constraints that inhibit action outside of the traditional transatlanticist framework, and to do that it needed to have strategic independence and self reliance as soon as possible.

Before this, the traditional approach was to acquire capability and not really look at how, b/c there was no expectation that Turkey would be acting independently and outside of the NATO/US consensus. This changed, contracts were cancelled, domestic supply chains were pursued, private sector was brought in to the ecosystem. There is an actual strategic vision at the top and a deeper focus.

 

[hyperman]

Habibi,your airspace is not covered. You didn't even deploy S-400s now that missiles were flying here and there. You're done. The rest is cheap propaganda. CHEAP propaganda,you make Siper 3/4/5/6/7/8 one day. The missiles are flying now,the SHAHED are falling now. Farsi,Yehudi,they could potentially all roast you. Stop boasting of 24 hour production in three shifts. You just received some Tayfun and SOM.

Or to say it in your language:

Turkiye

NO any modernized F-16
NO any Eurofighter
NO any KAAN
NO any F-35
S-400 packed in storage
Hisar/Siper cannot suit even IRANIAN or ISRAELI ballistic SRBM/MRMB

Even Yunanistan shoot down two Iranian ballistic missiles travelling with 4,000 km/h speed in Saudi Arabia!

Even Yunanistan to buy Spyder AiO/Barak MX/David's Sling to protect the Aegean against bandit countries!

Lets see in 10 years foinikas. lol

Only Fools think that there is no difference between a weapons system bought off the shelf vs one built in your own ecosystem.

 

[Sinan]

So where were they all these years before? I don't know why people feel the need to deny that the Govt has specifically put an emphasis on domestic production and development at a scale and tempo not seen previously, when the govt came, it had a specific foreign policy in mind and it determined for the acting out of this political policy, it needs to remove constraints that inhibit action outside of the traditional transatlanticist framework, and to do that it needed to have strategic independence and self reliance as soon as possible.

Before this, the traditional approach was to acquire capability and not really look at how, b/c there was no expectation that Turkey would be acting independently and outside of the NATO/US consensus. This changed, contracts were cancelled, domestic supply chains were pursued, private sector was brought in to the ecosystem. There is an actual strategic vision at the top and a deeper focus.

Where were they ? Bro, do you know when Aselsan, Roketsan, TAI, Havelsan have been founded. It's not like that nothing was going on before Erdoğan. It's a process, it has started after the invasion of Cyprus.

 

[hyperman]

Where were they ? Bro, do you know when Aselsan, Roketsan, TAI, Havelsan have been founded. It's not like that nothing was going on before Erdoğan. It's a process, it has started after the invasion of Cyprus.

Yeah and if we look at trajectory, its undeniable the leaps of today started happening recently, in terms of actual platforms. You don't have to like the govt to see that basic reality. Where was Turkey's drone program? Could Turkey build warships before MILGEM? AESA radars? Or the vast missile and munitions, There are all recent elements. Did the ecosystem exist to source all the subcomponents internally? When did Defense exports take off?

 

[MMM-E]

I don't understand why guys like you thanking a politician for these matters (roads, bridges, hospitals, etc...)

Because President ERDOGAN ordered to develop national Weapons including KAAN

As a result of the decisions taken by ERDOGAN at the 2004 SSIK meeting, the local content rate increased from 20% to 83% between 2004 and 2026

Otherwise, while other leaders couldn't even develop a 300 km missile, thanks to ERDOGAN, we have reached a point where we can provide the necessary deterrent to Farsi and Yahood with 1000-1500-2000 km Missiles.

 

[Foinikas]

Yes, it's called layered air defense, if PAC-3 had failed to intercept others would engage for the last resort. PAC-3 didn't failed though. Though interception chance decreases after the re-entry.

i mean you don't need heavier systems for something like TMB,SRMB or at some cases MRBMs. But most companies are now developing MRBM defence capabilities too,since threats from MRBMs are becoming more common now. If anything,the war in Ukraine and Iran have proven every missile developing country needs to start upgrading their systems and working on ballistic air defence

 

[Foinikas]

Lets see in 10 years foinikas. lol

Only Fools think that there is no difference between a weapons system bought off the shelf vs one built in your own ecosystem.

You can't say my immitation of MMM-E language was bad...

 

[Foinikas]

Greece with only


Only Exoatmospheric THAAD , SM-3 , S-500 , ARROW-3 can intercept hypersonic MRBMs like Turkish CENK , TAYFUN Block-4 ( range of 1500-2000 km )

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PAC-3 can intercept short range Ballistic Missiles like BORA and TAYFUN Block-1 ( range of 360-560-800 km )

Habibi,do you even have a Tayfun Block 4 now?

 

[hyperman]

Because President ERDOGAN ordered to develop national Weapons including KAAN

As a result of the decisions taken by ERDOGAN at the 2004 SSIK meeting, the local content rate increased from 20% to 83% between 2004 and 2026

Otherwise, while other leaders couldn't even develop a 300 km missile, thanks to ERDOGAN, we have reached a point where we can provide the necessary deterrent to Farsi and Yahood with 1000-1500-2000 km Missiles.

I was reading a report recently where someone in the defense industry was describing the level to which the govt was involved in the day to day elements in terms of support, the Altay tank was experiencing technical issues and small little things, the president was calling the head of the program about the tank and discussing technical issues and what the govt could do to speed up solutions and support the project. And the guy running the program was shocked b/c he had been working decades in the Turkish industry and never had the man at the top reach out to discuss bottlenecks in development, usually they would report issues to their higher up and nothing would be done, or done late, and the visits to the defense industry were only formal things.

 

[Foinikas]

I was reading a report recently where someone in the defense industry was describing the level to which the govt was involved in the day to day elements in terms of support, the Altay tank was experiencing technical issues and small little things, the president was calling the head of the program about the tank and discussing technical issues and what the govt could do to speed up solutions and support the project. And the guy running the program was shocked b/c he had been working decades in the Turkish industry and never had the man at the top reach out to discuss bottlenecks in development, usually they would report issues to their higher up and nothing would be done, or done late, and the visits to the defense industry were only formal things.

A strong leader,dictator,military leadership or king often bypassed the bureaucracy and all the problems that come with oligarchy or democracy. Recently,at an article of Ptisi they presented the steps taken for every time the Armed Forces wants to buy something. You will freak out if you see the list of steps. From the moment the need is reported to the moment the MoD signs the procurement,it's some 18 or 19 steps.

The other day,a report on TV was talking about how a simple pen for the public services,
comes to cost several hundred euros until its final acquisition. A simple pen costing 30 or 40 cents.

 

[Sinan]

Because President ERDOGAN ordered to develop national Weapons including KAAN

As a result of the decisions taken by ERDOGAN at the 2004 SSIK meeting, the local content rate increased from 20% to 83% between 2004 and 2026

Otherwise, while other leaders couldn't even develop a 300 km missile, thanks to ERDOGAN, we have reached a point where we can provide the necessary deterrent to Farsi and Yahood with 1000-1500-2000 km Missiles.

Decisions.... it's the duty of the politicians. Like, i said they don't do anything except signing a paper.

If you are going to thank anybody, thank to Turkish people. Not a politician for doing his job.