Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Hayabusa said:
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Lame journalism.

They will strike regardless. Iran should start preparing to rain hell on Haifa.
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Israel awaiting authorization? joke of the millennium
 
ShapurII said:
I don't think the same is true about the Pakistani system though.
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The ceasefire efforts that actually benefit Iran and this whole region in long run are carried out by Pakistani System not public.
So there should not be anything concerning to Iran about Pakistani System.
 
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Only a fool would completely believe the US narrative that the only objective was to rescue the downed pilot.

I am highly confident that they were there to trial the possibility of extracting uranium. Nobody sends 100 operators, two transport aircraft and several helicopter, risking them all for a pilot. It just doesn't make sense.

What they propagate as success, is actually mixed in with failure. Need to stop believing the hype of the US and Israeli military carrying out the impossible all the time.

That said, this is also a wakup call for Iran to comb through the area with drones on any possibly FARP set up by US. Knowing these two, this whole situation could actually turn out to be a distraction for an even bigger operation. They should still not be underestimated.

Side note: Pakistan's Strategic Plans Division Force should be watching this closely. Any possible operation against Iran's uranium stockpile will be a template against Pakistan. Possibly not during Trump's time, but a leader who probably hates Pakistan. You can bet they will craft out better plans to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons.
 
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Haz said:
Very good question. Wonder why the Chinese and Russian firms are also complying with this order to censored and help hide Israeli losses and damage. You'd think they'd happily provide that for everyone to see.
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China's Beidou satellite map has not blocked Israel. If you need it, you can download it yourself.
 
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Goenitz said:
Pak must work for ending sanctions for Iran
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This Iran must do ITSELF... Too much to ask from Pakistan in this regard. So let's be real...
PAKISTAN can only PAVE the WAY for Iran and US to sit on the table.
That's why the second phase is important for both of them ..
Iran also will need to develop relationships with US while maintaining its current stance on Israel... that's where the politics come in...they have proven a POINT and must capitalize on this advantage politically... Never ending war is not suitable for anyone let alone Iran...
 
Immortals said:
Houthi’s have really done very little in this war

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They attack Americans at this point it might drag Europeans into the war best to keep focusing the fire at Israel from the reports today alone multiple drones struck different areas
 
Blain2 said:
Why?

Do you understand the makeup of the Pakistani system? Just like Shias make up 30% of the population, they are just as well represented in the government, military, bureaucracy and the judiciary. Alhmadolillah, Shias are fully embedded in the Pakistani power structure. They make it to the very top and are included in the apex policy making bodies of Pakistan.

The Pakistani "system's" motivation is to stop the spread of this war. They do NOT want to be dragged into a war to support KSA against Iran given our defense treaty. If anyone just understands this motivation, it will become clear to them that Pakistan is not doing this at ANYONE's behest except for its own interests.

It is a disaster for Pakistan either way if KSA were to win and Iran were to lose or the other way around. One is a strategic partner, the other is a direct neighbor. So why in the world would Pakistan cater to goddamned American interests in this situation?

The only ones peddling this nonsense ("bakvas" in our vernacular) are the usual opponents of Pakistan here and elsewhere.
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I have been here for 15 years or possibly more. So, yeah, after 15 years of discussing politics with the Pakistanis, I understand a thing or two about it.

I don't get your rant about the representation of the Shiite in the Pakistani system of governance. I didn't even talk about it and it doesn't matter to me. I don't get its relevance here either.

Pakistan does not have any means of being more than a messenger in this so-called Accord. First of all, Pakistan is not a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Hence, if this so-called "Accord" is even agreed upon by both sides, and it gets violated by the US tomorrow, Pakistan will be nothing by a bystander per international law.

Secondly, Pakistan does not have a military weight that enables it to challenge the United States in a future conflict with Iran. Sure, you have nuclear weapons but your nuclear arsenal is not even remotely comparable to the US arsenal. And your conventional capabilities do not match the US capabilities either. Your air force is good against an incompetent regional power like India, but will be obliterated against the USAF and USN. You are a regional power at best.

Your ceasefire proposal was one-sided. I don't need to be able to read the minds of Pakistani politicians to see that. Iran gets nothing certain from that deal, literally nothing, while the US achieves one of their main objects in the first step of the deal, i.e. to open the Strait of Hormuz, and they can replenish their depleted ABMs. Also, there is no reason for Iran to agree to US nuclear demands when the US has failed to achieve them through war. So, yes. It is one-sided and you drafted that deal with the presence of KSA, which is a belligerent state in this war.
 
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Only a fool would completely believe the US narrative that the only objective was to rescue the downed pilot.

I am highly confident that they were there to trial the possibility of extracting uranium. Nobody sends 100 of operators, burn down two transport aircraft and several helicopter, risking them all for a pilot. It just doesn't make sense.

What they propagate as success, is actually mixed in with failure. Need to stop believing the hype of the US and Israeli military carrying out the impossible all the time.

That said, this is also a wakup call for Iran to comb through the area with drones on any possibly FARP set up by US. Knowing these two, this whole situation could actually turn out to be a distraction for an even bigger operation. They should still not be underestimated.
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Very strange not to see any SHORAD anywhere hiding for them. While it is desert terrain, there are patches of green and it’s not very hard to hide this:

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