Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

maverick said:
what are they doing there ? and where is it coming from ?
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i think PAF aircraft are not over gulf -- its spoofing they will be inside Iran, spoofing is showing them flying around over UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi arabia

also PAF escorts will be there as well so the picture that we are seeing confirms PAF mission but not the location
 
Maarkhoor said:
Update: India trying hard to put itself in the middle before coming to Pakistan US vice president will visit Turkey and India foreign minister J.Shankar also will be there even un-invited may be they push US to include themselves in the mediation and sabotage it or at least they wants to steal the show...

We must tell all negotiating parties to make India lay off.
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JAISHANKAR will made to look like a rand.... That's the plan.... Humilate him so that he can have a fukin heart attack because of all this pressure and ram ram satttaha.
 
@Musings why are we being dragged unnecessarily here in the discussion by a few estimed members ! The last 3-4 pages are all about india !
 
Meengla said:
Anyone noticing something new and interesting: The decades old Israeli narrative in America about 'Anti-Semitism' and about the American 'guilt over turning back the Jewish refugee ships' during World War II is not much talked about? Now it is: Israel is an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' for America, implicitly it is all about the $$$. A large majority of the Democrats and even of the younger Republicans are not buying the Israeli narrative anymore. Maybe the world should thank those tens of thousands slaughtered in Gaza in last 3 years to open the Americans' eyes.
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Obama stabbed Israel publicly right in the back in 2015 Iran Deal JCPOA.

When something like that is needed for USA, they do it, and there is no resistance. And there is nothing Israel can do it about it.

Yeah, now there is some public narrative against Israel in USA, Carlsson, Owens, and so on but it's just political circus and I dont think it's related to Gaza war, it had happened anyway.

But wars decisions are unaffected for that political circus.
 
Reichsmarschall said:
Iran still hasn't learn any lesson...
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Iran will continue its relations with India, and Pakistan will continue its relations with Saudi and Israel.
(Yes correct Israel! I can give you evidence that Pakistan has relations with Israel!)
 
Persian Gulf said:
Ghalibaf and Araghchi vs Vahidi and Ejei

So far the former have convinced Mojtaba to give his support to their plans
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Nobody knows if Mojtaba is actually the real leader of Iran at this point.

I have a bad feeling about all this. I think we're going to get screwed really badly.
I think we will end up handing over our uranium stockpile and we'll be forced to pay reparations to Arabs for years.

1. US primary and secondary sanctions will be lifted but only temporarily until either Trump changes his mind or the next US government finds a reason to impose new sanctions.

2. Our only chance to convince the Americans not to return the sanctions later is to give them long-term energy concessions and investments which will weaken our alliance with China and the Israeli lobby will still intervene to make sure we won't benefit from it.

3. The UNSC sanctions will be lifted permanently though, but as we have already found out the period of 2018-2025, US secondary sanctions bite more than UNSC sanctions.

4. Also, nearly every European country has unilaterally said that they're not going to accept to pay a toll for passing through the Strait of Hormuz, including Spain which has been our biggest advocate so far. So, our plan for earning money through that is nearly impossible to implement in reality.

So, bottom line, we will get sanctions relief for handing over our uranium stockpile, and our blocked money will be released as well, but it will go to Arabs instead of us and our profit from sanctions relief will be handed over to the Arabs as reparations, i.e. to the US and Israel indirectly.

@Immortals
 
TallGuy said:
i think PAF aircraft are not over gulf -- its spoofing they will be inside Iran, spoofing is showing them flying around over UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi arabia

also PAF escorts will be there as well so the picture that we are seeing confirms PAF mission but not the location
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But they are following a very narrow path on the borders avoiding UAE ?
 
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