PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[Respect4Respect]

Authorities should mercilessly pursue elements determined to destabilise the country.

My friend you need to start hanging the people who signed the IPPs if you really want to mercilessly punish those who truly destabilized the country.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

My friend you need to start hanging the people who signed the IPPs if you really want to mercilessly punish those who truly destabilized the country.

First time I'm agreeing with a youthiya

I hope Asim Munir starts by hanging every political party and its members, hangs the IPP owners and everyone complicit in it, hangs the sugar mafia, hangs the Afghan lobby in Pakistan, then mass fires the beureacracy and creates a new meritocratic recruitment drive, start fresh.

 

[Respect4Respect]

First time I'm agreeing with a youthiya

I hope Asim Munir starts by hanging every political party and its members, hangs the IPP owners and everyone complicit in it, hangs the sugar mafia, hangs the Afghan lobby in Pakistan, then mass fires the beureacracy and creates a new meritocratic recruitment drive, start fresh.

Excellent, then he hangs himself for bringing back the people who signed the IPPs.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Excellent, then he hangs himself for bringing back the people who signed the IPPs.

All shall be forgiven for him if he reverses and permanently mends the issue. If he can execute all the old elite complicit in leeching off the country and create a new mericratic drive with reformed institutions and more provinces, you can't imagine how much more stable and better off Pakistan would be.

Pakistan needs a mini version of its own cultural revolution like in China

 

[alphapak]

I hope Asim Munir starts by hanging every political party and its members,

Why not hang those that bought these politicians into power in the first place.

 

[Respect4Respect]

All shall be forgiven for him if he reverses and permanently mends the issue. If he can execute all the old elite complicit in leeching off the country and create a new mericratic drive with reformed institutions and more provinces, you can't imagine how much more stable and better off Pakistan would be.

Pakistan needs a mini version of its own cultural revolution like in China

There are no permanent mends on this earth. Real life is not like a movie that ends with "they lived happily ever after". Even if we go with your naive idea, i can assure you that another dictator will rise and break your imaginary system again in pursuit of absolute power.

what Pakistan really needs is to ensure that no single person can ever achieve absolute power. There should be a panel of 5 generals with equal authority, a ban on extensions and a ban on meeting political personalities or making political statements. The army should be purely for the defense of borders… that is the only way Pakistan can function like a normal country and hopefully progress like other countries in the region.

 

[Goenitz]

You need to look at the context of my earlier comment. Faujeets always claim that PTI is crushed and can’t fight for its rights anymore which implies they want PTI to fight them like a proper army... because as a political party PTI has already defeated its political opponents in the 2024 elections. PPP and Noon League barely exist on the ground anymore. The only rival PTI is fighting now is a proper army pretending to be a political party...one that has weapons and paid thugs.

The rival has captured the public institutions and is using national resources.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

There are no permanent mends on this earth. Real life is not like a movie that ends with "they lived happily ever after". Even if we go with your naive idea, i can assure you that another dictator will rise and break your imaginary system again in pursuit of absolute power.

what Pakistan really needs is to ensure that no single person can ever achieve absolute power. There should be a panel of 5 generals with equal authority, a ban on extensions and a ban on meeting political personalities or making political statements. The army should be purely for the defense of borders… that is the only way Pakistan can function like a normal country and hopefully progress like other countries in the region.

You know nothing about Pakistan, or its feudal history, its current elite tussle. You speak like a priviliged western resident designing policy for a post-feudal egalitarian society somewhere in Europe or North America.

There is a reason the first thing Mao did in China was the cultural revolution which laid the sociocultural foundations for its success.

 

[hasssanali8998]

a ban on extensions and a ban on meeting political personalities or making political statements

agreed , but should be fixed limit on the amount of extension or time like 5 to 7 year max service . and extension should first pass the corp commanders and then the Assembly

There should be a panel of 5 generals with equal authority

lmfao
Yeah, this is the worst idea I have ever heard. You will have the most indecisive army in the world. There is a reason no one does this or has done this. There is always a guy whose decision weighs the most. I would rather make bad decisions in a war and learn than have no decision at all

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

You can immediately spot an idiot in Pakistan when they believe that Pakistan's problems are as simple as a political leader or "democracy", but not the structural feudalist system in the country, the generalised CSS left behind by the British colonialists, or the contradicting provinces that have extremely oppposing ideas on what is their "national interests" or desired federal policies.

Instead we have literal idiots saying a national Army requires 5 equal chiefs so that it can be the most indecisive military force on the planet, genius' i tell you. Exactly why you are described as a cult.

 

[Respect4Respect]

agreed , but should be fixed limit on the amount of extension or time like 5 to 7 year max service . and extension should first pass the corp commanders and then the Assembly

lmfao
Yeah, this is the worst idea I have ever heard. You will have the most indecisive army in the world. There is a reason no one does this or has done this. There is always a guy whose decision weighs the most. I would rather make bad decisions in a war and learn than have no decision at all

Extensions can only be justified when you create a new institution and don’t yet have enough trained people in that field to provide replacements. Otherwise it's nothing more than a power grab driven by personal interests.

No problem bro, i respect your opinion so i won’t send black Vigos over that . Not just generals but all government officials should be barred from political meetings or making political statements without permission from the government or the Foreign Office.

If you have a panel of 5 generals, there will always be a majority on one side when making critical decisions. That's far better for the country than having a single psycho making all the decisions for his ego.

 

[Respect4Respect]

You know nothing about Pakistan, or its feudal history, its current elite tussle. You speak like a priviliged western resident designing policy for a post-feudal egalitarian society somewhere in Europe or North America.

There is a reason the first thing Mao did in China was the cultural revolution which laid the sociocultural foundations for its success.

I think you've caught PISS syndrome (Pakistan Inter Services Syndrome). Side effects include believing democracy is optional and that everyone else is too stupid or clueless to understand national interests.

watch this clip for fun...Mr Trump also caught this syndrome so you are not alone my friend.

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[hasssanali8998]

No problem bro, i respect your opinion so i won’t send black Vigos over that . Not just generals but all government officials should be barred from political meetings or making political statements without permission from the government or the Foreign Office.

yep no visits to countries too

Otherwise it's nothing more than a power grab driven by personal interests.

a lot of reasons for it ( during war etc etc )
just saying it shouldnt be totally removed and be anomaly rather than a normal thing
just like how paf works only two have taken extensions ( CAS during zia's time and sidhu , rest have retired after their service )

If you have a panel of 5 generals, there will always be a majority on one side when making critical decisions. That's far better for the country than having a single psycho making all the decisions for his ego

see that where you are wrong u wont have 2 plans where 5 poeple will vote to chose one , you will 5 different plans from 5 different people , they will never agree on anything

That's far better for the country than having a single psycho making all the decisions for his ego.

you wont when you have good system where the generals are below PMs, when he becomes a psycho the PM removes him

 

[VCheng]

I now understand one more reason why IK say "The country is mine and the army is mine". I think Oscar and VCheng are trying to say that (besides their 80s thought process).

As far as the Army is concerned, I say only two things:

A. It deserves our full support when it performs its constitutional duties with competence and responsibility.

B. It deserves our condemnation and resistance when its place itself above the Constitution, and illegally meddles in politics.

As far as the PTI is concerned, I also say these two things just as clearly as the above:

A. IK is no popular leader or Messiah. He is just one more fool created in a long line of fools by the military who was installed and removed just like all the others.

B. Trying to destroy the Army without preparing a viable alternative power structure first is a guarantee of oblivion for Pakistan itself.

And I do not care what label anyone gives to the above. Truths are eternal.

 

[Respect4Respect]

yep no visits to countries too

I was planning to write a longer post but that would have been irrelevant to your earlier comment so i kept it shorter.
IMO government officials and their families should be required to stay in Pakistan for at least 5 years after retirement/end of their tenure. Their families should only use public schools and hospitals. No more freebies like electricity, fuel, rent or servants. Their assets should be public and before leaving the country they must be required to show receipts and explain any assets that don't match their incomes.

a lot of reasons for it ( during war etc etc )
just saying it shouldnt be totally removed and be anomaly rather than a normal thing
just like how paf works only two have taken extensions ( CAS during zia's time and sidhu , rest have retired after their service )

You could argue that extensions are justified during wartime but generals don’t work alone...they have experienced teams/people who can take over when needed. If someone has worked for decades to become an army chief but is sidelined because their senior wants to stay in power then that is unfair. In such cases an older general may be holding back a more capable officer from serving the institution and the country.

see that where you are wrong u wont have 2 plans where 5 poeple will vote to chose one , you will 5 different plans from 5 different people , they will never agree on anything

you wont when you have good system where the generals are below PMs, when he becomes a psycho the PM removes him

It's just a suggestion and my opinion, Army is not going to implement this tomorrow lol. On a serious note we need to create checks and balances so that no one can achieve absolute power in Pakistan.