Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

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Iran has showed it hits back when it gets attacked they have a no fks given mentality so if the oil states did "secretly" attacked Iran, Iran was in on it or allowed it because all is quiet... so far.

 

[Professor Jiang]

I suspect Iranians fear that if they target key infrastructure, then the isrealis will destroy the entire iranian infrastructure too.

While iran could do some minor damage, the isrealis with american air power will annihilate everything in iran. Nothing important would be left standing and whatever minor damage is done to isreal will be sustained by the USA.

Let's play along with this scenario. Why haven't Israel or the United States annihilated Iran yet? Out of the goodness of their genocidal hearts? If it was this simple, why is Trump still asking politely if he can help administer funds from the Strait of Hormuz?

The Israelis and Americans aren't interested in deterrence - their game is compellence.

 

[Persian Gulf]

News coming out of UK that approx 40 countries are preparing to take part in "defensive" missions to safeguard shipping in SoH.

So on one hand there is a ceasefire in place and talks ongoing to end the conflict, and on the other 40 countries (basically NATO) are preparing to join the conflict to help resume shipping.

Sounds like there is a lot going on behind the scenes. I just hope Iranians are using every second to sharpen their tools. And please for the love of humanity, respond in kind. Just remember: eye for an eye philosophy is permitted and legal in Islam.

This is not true

The plan is for these counties to only do something AFTER a ceasefire is reached

 

[Meengla]

Iran doesn't have to defend any sites when US lacks the ammunition to destroy them In the first place.
US might have ammunition to bomb Iran for another 30 days max, and after that, US will not bomb Iran or any other country heavily for at least a year(which = accepting the war is lost). Reality is truth.

Even analysts who are anti war are saying that, yes, standoffish missiles maybe in low quantities but no shortage of relatively dumb bombs dropped from heavy bombers. Dropping them in some Dresden style probably will not capitulate Iran but will kill a lot of innocent people. A lot! Plus of course destroying much infra and buildings. Iranians are negotiating to avoid that; the leadership is responsible to its citizens despite all the propaganda against it.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Let's play along with this scenario. Why haven't Israel or the United States annihilated Iran yet? Out of the goodness of their genocidal hearts? If it was this simple, why is Trump still asking politely if he can help administer funds from the Strait of Hormuz?

The Israelis and Americans aren't interested in deterrence - their game is compellence.

same reason they allowed Assad to survive for 15 years, when they could have assassinated him just as easy as they assassinated so many Iranian leaders.

long drawn out process that incrementally destroys a nation. They want that nation balkanised, a quick regime change is not how you destroy a nation.

ideally the zionists want that country to descend into a civil war, they tried to use the kurds but Turkiye told trump if they attempt the same game in iran that they attempted in syria, they would intervene.

What would be ideal for them is for the regime to survive but for it lose control of the non-iranic, anti regime regions. Then to have those regions in constant conflict with the regime.

 

[Meengla]

This is not true
The plan is for these counties to only do something AFTER a ceasefire is reached

Right. I don't know why people keep bringing up the so-called 40 country coalition to force the Hormuz opening. What could those countries do which the US Navy is unable or unwilling to do to open the Strait? We saw in a Robert Kagan video posted yesterday in this thread that Iranians retain the capability to target the vessels from deep inland. On top of that, a NY Times article posted that Iran, taking advantage of this ceasefire, has access to use 30 out of the 33 missiles sites along the Strait itself.

PS. The ceasefire as worked better for Iran than for the attackers. Ask Netanyahu!

 

[ShapurII]

we are talking about end game here and again I cant speak for Iran but it wont matter if Israel splits the moon and the earth with megaton nukes etc because sitting back didnt do much good to any gulf state and its leaders (Qadafi, Sadam, Asad) that gave up its advantage or held back out of fear of devestating attacks.

Unfortunately, there's no end game here like what people think.

They won't nuke Tehran and Isfahan right away. First, they will nuke a small city that has military infrastructure or critical civilian infrastructure then if Iran responds, they will nuke more populated cities like Isfahan, Shiraz, Tabriz, Mashhad, Tehran, etc.

So, dirty bombs are possibly the worst option here.

 

[ShapurII]

9 minor earthquakes (magnitude 2.6 to 4.6) in about 8 hours in Pardis, near Tehran.

Two major fault lines pass through Pardis in the northeast of Tehran. It seems that they're now active. A major earthquake is more likely than before.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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If the U.S. wins soon Trump will be posting the same image about Iran with the caption “52nd State”

 

[Professor Jiang]

same reason they allowed Assad to survive for 15 years, when they could have assassinated him just as easy as they assassinated so many Iranian leaders.

long drawn out process that incrementally destroys a nation. They want that nation balkanised, a quick regime change is not how you destroy a nation.

ideally the zionists want that country to descend into a civil war, they tried to use the kurds but Turkiye told trump if they attempt the same game in iran that they attempted in syria, they would intervene.

What would be ideal for them is for the regime to survive but for it lose control of the non-iranic, anti regime regions. Then to have those regions in constant conflict with the regime.

How do you reconcile what you've stated here as being the central approach of the Americans and Israelis towards Iran, with the whole bombing everything to the stone age doctrine? Why engage in a war at all if all you're after is the slow, decremental descent of Iran into a failed state? Wasn't this the status-quo before last year anyway? These things are contradictory.

 

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If the U.S. wins soon Trump will be posting the same image about Iran with the caption “52nd State”

Its all about the oil

Seems his fallback plan is to take hard control of Venezuelan oil, including revenue, profits etc as his plan in ME has failed.

 

[GoatsMilk]

How do you reconcile what you've stated here as being the central approach of the Americans and Israelis towards Iran, with the whole bombing everything to the stone age doctrine? Why engage in a war at all if all you're after is the slow, decremental descent of Iran into a failed state? Wasn't this the status-quo before last year anyway? These things are contradictory.

Its quite simple really, its a process. Iran was reduced to a fairly backward state, economically and technologically. Her proxies served as fuel for the ever expanding zionist state. Once those proxies mostly served their purpose in allowing isreal to invade and destroy multiple states, they too were limited in their capacity.

The focus on Iran now is about applying what they had hoped for Syria, to break the state up and allow those balkanised states to war with each other.

Its quite simple really. If tomorrow they break Iran into 5 nations, they will then look to break those nations into 10 nations.

Its basically the Fabián approach, achieve the aims in steps, rather then one big move. Isreal came about with the destruction of the Ottoman empire. After the balkanisation of the Ottoman empire they moved to further balkanising the states they created from the Ottomans. In Iraq they wanted to turn it into 3 further states a kurdish one, a sunni one and shia one. If that succeeds they will further look to balkanise it.

The game doesnt end unless you have the power to make it end. If Muslims don't have the power to make it end, eventually the zionists will come to rule the entire region and even move towards criminalising islam.

And when they criminalise islam, it wont happen in one stage, it will be a process. That process will be first to dehumanise Muslims. Then it will be to show certain sects within that religion as terroristic and then eventually they will spread it to mean all Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims reading this will realise this process has already been taking place for decades now. Look forward 20 years and wonder where Islam will be because of zionism.

step by step by step. This is how they destroyed the Ottoman caliphate. Since destroying it they've gone on to further destroy many of the states they carved out of the Ottoman state.

One last thing Isreal wants war, it needs war. It cannot expand without it. Last thing they want is peace.

also jiang is no professor he's largely a charlatan.

 

[hussain0216]

Let's play along with this scenario. Why haven't Israel or the United States annihilated Iran yet? Out of the goodness of their genocidal hearts? If it was this simple, why is Trump still asking politely if he can help administer funds from the Strait of Hormuz?

The Israelis and Americans aren't interested in deterrence - their game is compellence.

Simply because Iran can hit back

Destroy Iranian oil infrastructure will negatively effect world oil prices and economy

And in return Iran can destroy oil infrastructure across the middle east causing a crises

Same goes for infrastructure


This is the difference between Iran and Iraq/Libya/Jamaica/Kenya etc
Iran can hit back

 

[fameen]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/12/us/politics/iran-missiles-us-intelligence.html?unlocked_article_code=1.iFA.sRCY.N114-AuXEEWa&smid=nytcore-ios-share

Sobering assessment for US planners. Where do they go next? And, importantly, where does the UAE go next?

 

[Professor Jiang]

Its quite simple really, its a process. Iran was reduced to a fairly backward state, economically and technologically. Her proxies served as fuel for the ever expanding zionist state. Once those proxies mostly served their purpose in allowing isreal to invade and destroy multiple states, they too were limited in their capacity.

The focus on Iran now is about applying what they had hoped for Syria, to break the state up and allow those balkanised states to war with each other.

Its quite simple really. If tomorrow they break Iran into 5 nations, they will then look to break those nations into 10 nations.

Its basically the Fabián approach, achieve the aims in steps, rather then one big move. Isreal came about with the destruction of the Ottoman empire. After the balkanisation of the Ottoman empire they moved to further balkanising the states they created from the Ottomans. In Iraq they wanted to turn it into 3 further states a kurdish one, a sunni one and shia one. If that succeeds they will further look to balkanise it.

The game doesnt end unless you have the power to make it end. If Muslims don't have the power to make it end, eventually the zionists will come to rule the entire region and even move towards criminalising islam.

And when they criminalise islam, it wont happen in one stage, it will be a process. That process will be first to dehumanise Muslims. Then it will be to show certain sects within that religion as terroristic and then eventually they will spread it to mean all Muslims are potential terrorists. Muslims reading this will realise this process has already been taking place for decades now. Look forward 20 years and wonder where Islam will be because of zionism.

step by step by step. This is how they destroyed the Ottoman caliphate. Since destroying it they've gone on to further destroy many of the states they carved out of the Ottoman state.

One last thing Isreal wants war, it needs war. It cannot expand without it. Last thing they want is peace.

Sorry, you are avoiding the question. If Israel's primary strategy has been built on the slow and gradual collapse of Iran as a nation-state - distinct from the collapse of the Islamic Republic - then how do you reconcile that with the notion that Israel and the US are about to obliterate the country's entire infrastructure in one fell swoop in a war that Iran cannot possibly defend itself in? If Iran is a "fairly backwards state, economically and technologically", then why go to war at all with it?

And if Iran's "proxies" are simply fuel for Zionism, why can't Israel defeat them?

also jiang is no professor he's largely a charlatan.

I have a picture of Shia Tupac as my avatar. My user ID is to be taken just as seriously.