PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[Bentley777]

China never sells the best of it has to Pakistan, that is why and that is the reason why at times it goes for Turkiye products when they are better.

But they are offering hq-19 why not hq-9c they will give.

 

[Princeps]

Can anyone eplain how the FD2000 is fiferent from HQ9 or HQ16? also didnt the Airforce have the HQ9P?

FD2000 = HQ-9P

 

[Intervention-06]

It's equivalent of buying a PS4 in 2019 then the PS5 comes out a year later, also it makes zero sense for the Army to have HIMADs in the first place.

Sure it might not be a legacy system like the S-300 for example but it does feel a bit inadequate when compared to the B variant.I think it also has to do something with price and availability.

I think it also has to do something with price and availability.

 

[Princeps]

FD-2000 is like OG Vanilla HQ-9, with a 125km range. Its a retarded corruption buy lol

I don't think it's a terrible missile. It's ARH, has TVC and a large warhead. Definitely better than the HQ-16As for just about anything. It's notable that PLAAF and PLAN rely primarily on the HQ-9s.

 

[Ak01]

I don't think it's a terrible missile. It's ARH, has TVC and a large warhead. Definitely better than the HQ-16As for just about anything. It's notable that PLAAF and PLAN rely primarily on the HQ-9s.

FD-2000 is SARH, chunky and low energy. The TVC im not sure about, but its not particularly relevant on these long range missiles i believe because you have a limited motor burn time, so the TVC is only really relevant at launch because it will improve reaction times which i guess is valid against time critical high speed targets

 

[Princeps]

FD-2000 is SARH, chunky and low energy. The TVC im not sure about, but its not particularly relevant on these long range missiles i believe because you have a limited motor burn time, so the TVC is only really relevant at launch because it will improve reaction times which i guess is valid against time critical high speed targets

FD-2000 has always been advertised as ARH

 

[kimjongun]

China never sells the best of it has to Pakistan, that is why and that is the reason why at times it goes for Turkiye products when they are better.

This what a lot of people don't understand d here, China sells us export grade equipment and it's usually stuff not operated by themselves.
Members here claim that we should just convert the yj19 or sum shi into ground a launch system like why the hell would China give it to us in first place?
Yahan member DF 17 ki batein bhi krte hai tobah

 

[Toxic]

This what a lot of people don't understand d here, China sells us export grade equipment and it's usually stuff not operated by themselves.
Members here claim that we should just convert the yj19 or sum shi into ground a launch system like why the hell would China give it to us in first place?
Yahan member DF 17 ki batein bhi krte hai tobah

TBF "Export grade" Is a bit misleading, these aren't Soviet stripped down "monkey models" For example can you name one thing that's worse in Pakistani J-10CEs (except the missiles) compared to PLAAF J-10Cs?

They have their add on options which a customer might buy or not, things like the MMW radar on the Z-10ME and Gucci DIRCM, which might a make a piece of equipment better or worse.

Of course they aren't going to sell you the newest J-20s or HQ-9Cs but that's normal for any arms producer.

 

[SD 10]

This what a lot of people don't understand d here, China sells us export grade equipment and it's usually stuff not operated by themselves.
Members here claim that we should just convert the yj19 or sum shi into ground a launch system like why the hell would China give it to us in first place?
Yahan member DF 17 ki batein bhi krte hai tobah

Useless viewpoint. If you wanna talk about export grade look at our f16s!
Have a look at how we beg each time for some upgrades and are declined!

 

[Toxic]

China never sells the best of it has to Pakistan, that is why and that is the reason why at times it goes for Turkiye products when they are better.

There is a lot of things the Turks can't sell to Pakistan, they don't have any fighters on offer, @Oscar mentioned that SIPER was being looked at but it was too exorbitantly priced for what it offered, I think it's one of the Reasons that even Azerbaijan has gotten HQ-9Bs.

I don't think Pakistan has ever gotten something from the Turks that one can say was better then what the Chinese were offering.

 

[studsmart]

Friends and countrymen, please remember that China, like any other country, maintains a highest standard for itself but is willing to share its best offerings with Pakistan. There is no difference compared to the USA, Russia, or any other nation. Consider the JF17C Block 3, J10C, tanks, ships, submarines, etc. With technological advancements, many other countries possess superior capabilities at times. But China for Pakistan remains as a prime one window. The PL15 remains the most advanced missile China has to offer, and it surpasses other international counterparts. Is there a better offer than Hangoor? The various types of anti-aircraft missiles we possess are due to factors such as availability, funding, necessity, time line and discounted procurement prices. Remember, Pakistan and China share a very deep alliance, so please do not belittle these matters. The defense of a country is the responsibility of its citizens. As a nation, we are accountable for our own country. Currently, our efforts are not optimal.

 

[kimjongun]

TBF "Export grade" Is a bit misleading, these aren't Soviet stripped down "monkey models" For example can you name one thing that's worse in Pakistani J-10CEs (except the missiles) compared to PLAAF J-10Cs?

They have their add on options which a customer might buy or not, things like the MMW radar on the Z-10ME and Gucci DIRCM, which might a make a piece of equipment better or worse.

Of course they aren't going to sell you the newest J-20s or HQ-9Cs but that's normal for any arms producer.

I aint saying that all the stuff we got from china was crap and all , my view point is that despite china being one of our biggest ally it wont be ready to give us super niche and newly developed tech which is strategically important for it .
Some member here think of buying nuclear powered subs , DF17 and the latest and greatest AD assets with loans and pennies in our pockets.
At the end its also a matter of money maybe .

 

[Toxic]

One thing that is interesting Is the lack of MR SAM orders, we have heard of new Shorads and new long range systems (HQ-16FE + more HQ-9Bs) but no new MR SAMs, hopefully that means that the LOMADS program as going well and that PAF is holding off on new foreign MRSAMs because of it (Massive hopium)

 

[Michael]

Can anyone eplain how the FD2000 is fiferent from HQ9 or HQ16? also didnt the Airforce have the HQ9P?

FD2000 is the export designation for the HQ-9 series of surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems—just as FC-20 is the export designation for the J-10 series of fighter aircraft.

"FD2000" serves as a product series code; For example: FD2000B=HQ-9BE

This represents a specific phase in the history of China's arms and equipment exports. Currently, China's weapon export codes are in a transitional phase involving the mixed use of two different coding systems. Market clients prefer to utilize the "PLA Proprietary Code + E" solution.

 

[Aziqbal]

Some new things on AD
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Never seen this before

Amazing