Gun violence & Hate crime in the United States - Sticky

[SaadH]

One of them wasn't even white. Apparently a native American?

San Diego's surrounding areas are hotbed for white supremacy. There was an Iraqi woman shot dead a few years ago for no reason other than her appearance. Louis Theroux did his white supremacy documentary of all places in San Diego.

Also, there's no love like Christian hate, these fools were indoctrinated in hating muslims by their families and church.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Quick question, is it whatever your background and a White parent?

Its nothing personal - but its very common with mixed kids and what they deal with in schools and larger society at large. I'll be real with you - Whites are absolute monsters when it comes to themselves and other races.

Listen..the US isn't Europe or Asia. You are projecting situations you have seen there as generalizations about the US. The US is far more of a melting pot than what you see in Europe. The US is a very international country...while you may think Europe is too..it actually isn't. Europe itself is actually seen as a bunch of foreigners.

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/taxonomy/term/758

The revised standards contain five minimum categories for race:
American Indian or Alaska Native
Asian
Black or African American
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
White

But the Hispanics made a fuss saying some didn't want to be classified exactly as white...bit they didn't want their own group

so instead we now sometimes see this:
White, non-Hispanic
White, Hispanic

They honestly have a high dose of superiority complex. Its very common amongst to think of non-whites as lesser being. Probably stems from the days of colonialism and constants uplifting done by the Western media about Whites while degrading men of other cultures as inferior. An Asian woman told me exactly this. Sure there are exceptions but regardless of liberal or conservative - A Westerner thinks he or she are better than a non-Westerner. They get even more angrier when the other culture fights back or tries to assert some resemble of self-respect. This is why a Conservative Westerner will either directly attack a non-Westerner identity, and a Liberal will passive-aggressively do it though the message is the same.

I think the days of being under the thumb of the Brits is skewing your opinion of things.

Put it this way..if you showed this video to a typical high school class in the US they'd say this looks like a bunch of white Europeans....maybe in Italy or Greece or something..and if you flew them there blindfolded and had them walking and told them it was in Europe the thought wouldn't even cross their minds that those people aren't "white". They would walk around for a week oblivious to it. While Europeans and Asians would be quickly saying those Americans are the only "white" people there.

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So to say there is some innate white racism in the US is ridiculous since most US "white" people can't even pick out who the rest of the world technically considers as "non-white".

infact I bet US white racists would likely be saying this looks like a perfect place to live because it's an all-white area with not many black people to cause trouble.

 

[Watandar]

So they didn’t define it as a terrorist act

Just another deadly shooting in America. Nothing to see here move along.

Plus the perpetrators weren't Muslims

 

[AjitWadhwa]

Gujarat massacre, Kashmir atrocities invalidate your comment.

and more usual attrocties that are becoming part of culture like cow vigilantees etc. You do walk the talk when it comes to muslim hatred. That hatred especially risen after BJP took power.

USA UK Israel - Millions (North Africa, Arabi, Central Asia)
India - Thousands ( some parts of India)

Fair enough?

 

[hussain0216]

Bro - I respect you but that's not true about Pakistanis. Its very common about these 304s being with Jewish and White men. They'll do a performative "conversion" so its more culturally acceptable. So maybe in your community in England might not be as bad, but I'll guarantee you the women are higher percentage with non-Muslims than the men are. This is why you need to start asserting the better qualities of your culture.

In the UK and Europe it doesn't tend to work like that

Pakistani and Muslim communities tend to be the most resistant to any assimilation and relationships especially

It helps in the UK that the Pakistani community has a high percentage of conservative Northern Kashmiri Muslims from tight knit communities

It also helps that you have large communities, so you always tend to have your own people about, that helps

Their is A LOT of social stigma of any relationship let alone with any non-muslim

That tends to keep our communities strong, with the biggest outlier being young dude with flash car with white girl, but even they tend to play around and come back





The U.S is different, it's a big melting pot with a very open if not degenerate dating culture (not that Europe is different), but your communities in North America tend to be much smaller, much less tight knit , often separated from each other over a much larger area
And most importantly, your kids tend to go to Schools where 99% of students are non-muslims
And the communities tend to be much less conservative over all even liberal

 

[SaadH]

In the UK and Europe it doesn't tend to work like that

Pakistani and Muslim communities tend to be the most resistant to any assimilation and relationships especially

It helps in the UK that the Pakistani community has a high percentage of conservative Northern Kashmiri Muslims from tight knit communities

It also helps that you have large communities, so you always tend to have your own people about, that helps

Their is A LOT of social stigma of any relationship let alone with any non-muslim

That tends to keep our communities strong, with the biggest outlier being young dude with flash car with white girl, but even they tend to play around and come back





The U.S is different, it's a big melting pot with a very open if not degenerate dating culture (not that Europe is different), but your communities in North America tend to be much smaller, much less tight knit , often separated from each other over a much larger area
And most importantly, your kids tend to go to Schools where 99% of students are non-muslims
And the communities tend to be much less conservative over all even liberal

There's pro and cons of both phenomenon, I admire the close-knit family based traditional dispensation of UK Pakistanis but also wish they were generally more professional/educated lot along the lines of their US counterparts. However, on the other hand I wish Pakistani americans were more hard nosed unapologetic muslims/pakistanis with a sense of community and affiliation. Pakistani amerians run away whenever they encounter an "apna" to borrow a term from UK Pakistanis, in public...

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I agree the attack on the San Diego mosque was a terrorist attack.

You're not the police and I already posted a description of the differences between a hate crime and a terrorist attack.

 

[SaadH]

You're not the police and I already posted a description of the differences between a hate crime and a terrorist attack.

Of course:

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Of course:
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Once again, sorry the facts do not agree with you.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

There was an Iraqi woman shot dead a few years ago for no reason other than her appearance.

uh..that was actually her racist non-white husband trying to make it look like her murder was done by white people but it was actually done by him.

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

www.theatlantic.com

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California​

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

Shaima Alawadi was taken off life support at 3 p.m. on Saturday, according to a statement from the Council on American Islamic Relations. Machines had kept her alive since Wednesday morning,

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Daughter of slain Iraqi-American woman says parents clashed

Fatima Alhimidi, taking the witness stand on the third day of her father's murder trial, said that arguments between her parents began during a trip to Iraq in mid-2011 and escalated until her mother ...

www.yahoo.com

Daughter of slain Iraqi-American woman says parents clashed​

testified on Thursday that her parents had fought over plans for her to marry a cousin in the months leading up to the killing. Fatima Alhimidi, taking the witness stand on the third day of her father's murder trial, said that arguments between her parents began during a trip to Iraq in mid-2011 and escalated until her mother sought a divorce early the following year. "My mom couldn't stand him. She didn't want to speak with him anymore,"

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https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/iraqi-american-who-staged-wifes-murder-as-hate-crime-gets-life-term-idUSKBN0EY2QD/

Iraqi-American who staged wife's murder as hate crime gets life term​

An Iraqi-American convicted of bludgeoning his wife to death in a slaying staged to look like an anti-Muslim hate crime was sentenced on Monday to 26 years to life in prison.
A jury in April found Kassim Alhimidi, 50, guilty of first-degree murder in the death of Shaima Alawadi, 32, who was found bloodied and dying by the couple's eldest daughter in the kitchen of their home in suburban San Diego in March 2012. She died days later.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

uh..that was actually her racist Muslim husband trying to make it look like her murder was done by white people but it was actually done by him.

Oh i love the irony of your post.

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

www.theatlantic.com

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California​

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

Shaima Alawadi was taken off life support at 3 p.m. on Saturday, according to a statement from the Council on American Islamic Relations. Machines had kept her alive since Wednesday morning,

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https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/iraqi-american-who-staged-wifes-murder-as-hate-crime-gets-life-term-idUSKBN0EY2QD/

Iraqi-American who staged wife's murder as hate crime gets life term​

An Iraqi-American convicted of bludgeoning his wife to death in a slaying staged to look like an anti-Muslim hate crime was sentenced on Monday to 26 years to life in prison.
A jury in April found Kassim Alhimidi, 50, guilty of first-degree murder in the death of Shaima Alawadi, 32, who was found bloodied and dying by the couple's eldest daughter in the kitchen of their home in suburban San Diego in March 2012. She died days later.

Darn. Another "the facts don't agree with you" moment.

 

[krash]

yes, and in my State (Massachusetts) on the urban east side (where the money is) guns are uncommon in households (outside of notorious poor city areas).

Meanwhile in the rural West side guns are common...and isn't because the streets are full of grizzly bears, hungry wolves, and prowling mountain lions.

It's socio-economic and like music...something you have as a preference.

I don't own jet-skis because where the hell would i put them and where the hell would I drive them. Meanwhile every other hillbilly in Western Mass probably has 1 of them sitting in his yard because there are lakes galore he can use them on.

In the West side there's probably 100 ponds in the middle of nowhere that the local teens flock to to blow sh*t up...with guns and explosives. Why do they have guns..well because they can...they can actually use them somewhere. Anywhere on the East side if you cause a loud noise 50 people will call the cops...and if it is within 500 feet of any type of building/structure you'll be in trouble. You'd have to go to some gun range.

Not arguing the cultural influences that exacerbate this underlying obsession with guns, stemming from ill-thought fantasies. Instead arguing that there are plenty of hillbillies across other countries where this obsession doesn't exist and gun control is welcomed.

Look at Mexico. Look at Brazil. you will see what a corrupt elite means

Mexican and Brazilian elite wish they had it as good as the Americans. Send a tweet, make billions. Join the government, shut down the departments investigating you. Make millions a day before or after a change in legislation. Sell a $5 pill for hundreds. Deny thousands of dying children their insurance and be protected by the government. Tank the world economy, be bailed out, and take home millions in bonuses......... And your guns can't do jack squat about it.

 

[Watandar]

uh..that was actually her racist non-white husband trying to make it look like her murder was done by white people but it was actually done by him.

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

www.theatlantic.com

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California​

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

Shaima Alawadi was taken off life support at 3 p.m. on Saturday, according to a statement from the Council on American Islamic Relations. Machines had kept her alive since Wednesday morning,

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Daughter of slain Iraqi-American woman says parents clashed

Fatima Alhimidi, taking the witness stand on the third day of her father's murder trial, said that arguments between her parents began during a trip to Iraq in mid-2011 and escalated until her mother ...

www.yahoo.com

Daughter of slain Iraqi-American woman says parents clashed​

testified on Thursday that her parents had fought over plans for her to marry a cousin in the months leading up to the killing. Fatima Alhimidi, taking the witness stand on the third day of her father's murder trial, said that arguments between her parents began during a trip to Iraq in mid-2011 and escalated until her mother sought a divorce early the following year. "My mom couldn't stand him. She didn't want to speak with him anymore,"

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https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/iraqi-american-who-staged-wifes-murder-as-hate-crime-gets-life-term-idUSKBN0EY2QD/

Iraqi-American who staged wife's murder as hate crime gets life term​

An Iraqi-American convicted of bludgeoning his wife to death in a slaying staged to look like an anti-Muslim hate crime was sentenced on Monday to 26 years to life in prison.
A jury in April found Kassim Alhimidi, 50, guilty of first-degree murder in the death of Shaima Alawadi, 32, who was found bloodied and dying by the couple's eldest daughter in the kitchen of their home in suburban San Diego in March 2012. She died days later.

Why are you in denial ? This San Diego attack was similar to many others against Muslims and part of the gun culture/white supremacist problem in America. Here is another case :

North Carolina man charged with killing 3 Muslim students to enter plea

The man is charged with killing three much-admired Muslim university students more than four years ago. The victims' families said the man acted out of bigotry.

www.pbs.org

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Why are you in denial ? This San Diego attack was similar to many others against Muslims and part of the gun culture/white supremacist problem in America. Here is another case :

North Carolina man charged with killing 3 Muslim students to enter plea

The man is charged with killing three much-admired Muslim university students more than four years ago. The victims' families said the man acted out of bigotry.

www.pbs.org

Nice attempt at deflection. Maybe instead of correcting me with a totally different example you should have been on top of correcting his original one instead of taking what he said as gospel...but you didn't...you simply let it slide.

it seems white racists are not a monopoly in California..there are notable Muslim non-white ones too that generate very memorable headlines with their racist actions...so much so it was specifically mentioned here...albeit as a misplaced example.

 

[SaadH]

uh..that was actually her racist non-white husband trying to make it look like her murder was done by white people but it was actually done by him.

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

www.theatlantic.com

Outrage Grows Over Beating Death of Iraqi Mother from California​

A 32-year-old mother of five from San Diego has been taken off life support after being beaten unconscious in her own home by an intruder. The killer left behind a note: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."

Shaima Alawadi was taken off life support at 3 p.m. on Saturday, according to a statement from the Council on American Islamic Relations. Machines had kept her alive since Wednesday morning,

---

---

Daughter of slain Iraqi-American woman says parents clashed

Fatima Alhimidi, taking the witness stand on the third day of her father's murder trial, said that arguments between her parents began during a trip to Iraq in mid-2011 and escalated until her mother ...

www.yahoo.com

Daughter of slain Iraqi-American woman says parents clashed​

testified on Thursday that her parents had fought over plans for her to marry a cousin in the months leading up to the killing. Fatima Alhimidi, taking the witness stand on the third day of her father's murder trial, said that arguments between her parents began during a trip to Iraq in mid-2011 and escalated until her mother sought a divorce early the following year. "My mom couldn't stand him. She didn't want to speak with him anymore,"

---

---

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/iraqi-american-who-staged-wifes-murder-as-hate-crime-gets-life-term-idUSKBN0EY2QD/

Iraqi-American who staged wife's murder as hate crime gets life term​

An Iraqi-American convicted of bludgeoning his wife to death in a slaying staged to look like an anti-Muslim hate crime was sentenced on Monday to 26 years to life in prison.
A jury in April found Kassim Alhimidi, 50, guilty of first-degree murder in the death of Shaima Alawadi, 32, who was found bloodied and dying by the couple's eldest daughter in the kitchen of their home in suburban San Diego in March 2012. She died days later.

Nope that's not the same incident. Try again harder....