Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help

[Dalit]

Utterly bizarre, we literally helped the Taliban defeat NATO, the US and Europe in Afghanistan but now we should work with them against the Taliban?!

Why not? Aren't the Taliban helping India? Undermine the Taliban.

 

[Corax]

Why not? Aren't the Taliban helping India? Undermine the Taliban.

Maybe we shouldn't have supported the nutjobs in the first place?

 

[Distant_Observer]

Utterly bizarre, we literally helped the Taliban defeat NATO, the US and Europe in Afghanistan but now we should work with them against the Taliban?!

The taliban ideologues within civil and military establishment helped them. We can blame KP for this mess. They literally bent over for them when the invasion began.

Musharraf couldn't fully enforce Pakistan's official stance which is a major non NATO ally which is why the supply lines were kept protected and opened.

How many traitors emerged within ISI and military during this period? taliban were getting real time intel of pending attacks and US became so fed up they cut intelligence sharing.

What horrific damage done to Pakistan's reputation and relationships. A shameful period of putting another country before Pakistan.

We should also blame the others who persisted with a pro taliban policy despite AQ and OBL gaining influence in afghanistan in the 90s.

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[Hopefully Pessimistic]

We understand the position of China, they have interests and their interests will be prioritized however Pakistan being number 1 on the index is not sustainable. This requires intervention.

No, China should be called out. This is a critical national security matter for Pakistan their position as an ally is shameful

 

[Distant_Observer]

No, China should be called out. This is a critical national security matter for Pakistan their position as an ally is shameful

China and Turkey both offered to host talks. Our allies mean well and their position should be respected.

If anyone needs calling out is Russia.

Even after the airstrikes on the drone assembly warehouses in Kabul that were placed next to drug addicts to act as human shields, the Russians were the first to poke their nose at it the next day to make a statement.

Should Pakistan get involved in Ukraine?

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

China and Turkey both offered to host talks. Our allies mean well and their position should be respected.

If anyone needs calling out is Russia.

Even after the airstrikes on the drone assembly warehouses in Kabul that were placed next to drug addicts to act as human shields, the Russians were the first to poke their nose at it the next day to make a statement.

The Chinese have been the biggest obstacle in Pakistan's path to take action inside Afghanistan because they are merchants obsessed with their exploitative mining deals with the Taliban

They just have a whole grip on Pakistans media and economy so Pakistan is never allowed to even criricise them in the slightest

 

[PashtunAfghan]

Stop supporting terrorists and stop dreaming about Pashtunistan or greater afghanistan and our interests will align. We hosted your generations for decades and protected your honor, at the bare minimum we deserve this much courtesy.

Were your forefathers happy being slaves of USSR or later NATO & US? If no, then Pakistan did what we needed to help them. You can know forget that and now blame us all you want but the history and reality is not going to change. Not that I care, but you like bringing in religion and calling China Atheist and are trying to portray our alliance with China unholy, however, you should remember that the day we were readying to respond to infidel hindu's aggression your bearded mullah was standing right next to them shaking their hand.

I am not sure what you are alluding to when you say afghanistan has the right to support jihadis (Pakistan supported afghans were fighting foreign invaders and occupiers), unless you are referring to terrorists operating from afghanistan and killing Muslims in Pakistan, it is a nasty stupid comparison.

I'm not sure what world you live when you accuse Afghans of supporting terrorism whilst your defence minister openly admitted on Live Tv that Pakistan has suppprted militant terror groups for 40 years. Pakistan has groups like Lashkar e Taiba, Sipah e Sahaba, jaish e mohammad, lashkar e jhangavi etc etc.

I'm not sure if you've heard of the saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". What India calls terrorists, Pakistan calls freedom fighters and vice versa.

Pakistan supported the jihadi groups because it was in Pakistan's interest to stall USSR in Afghanistan as Pakistan would have been next on the list. Russia's aim was to access warm waters of Indian ocean and get close to energy corridors of persian Gulf. Another reason was that Americans wanted revenge for Vietnam and Pakistan being in the American camp since 50s made Pakistan an ideal launchig pad for Afghan Jihad. In a strange way Pakistan hosting CIA operatives in badabir airbase near Peshawar since 1956 to spy on USSR also forced USSR to get involved in Afghanistan and make sure Americans don't get a foothold. It was a continuation of the great game between Russia and Britain.

If Pakistan was so sincere in helping Afghanistan fight foreign invaders, it wouldn't have let America/Nato use Pakistan as a transit route for over 20 years to continue the war in Afghanistan.
Afghans should have amso let the Russians use Afghanistan as a launching pad to attack Pakistan but our people fought in their own land rather than letting the fight happen in Pakistan.

Pakistan did what it did to look after it's own interests without any regard for what happens to Afghanistan and Acghanistan reserves the same right to look after it's own interests regardless of what happens to Pakistan. That's the harsh reality and lessons learnt during the last 50 years

 

[That_Guy]

I'm not sure what world you live when you accuse Afghans of supporting terrorism whilst your defence minister openly admitted on Live Tv that Pakistan has suppprted militant terror groups for 40 years. Pakistan has groups like Lashkar e Taiba, Sipah e Sahaba, jaish e mohammad, lashkar e jhangavi etc etc. Pakistan shoukd
I'm not sure if you've heard of the saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". What India calls terrorists, Pakistan calls freedom fighters and vice versa.

Pakistan supported the jihadi groups because it was in Pakistan's interest to stall USSR in Afghanistan as Pakistan would have been next on the list. Russia's aim was to access warm waters of Indian ocean and get close to energy corridors of persian Gulf. Another reason was that Americans wanted revenge for Vietnam and Pakistan being in the American camp since 50s made Pakistan an ideal launchig pad for Afghan Jihad. In a strange way Pakistan hosting CIA operatives in badabir airbase near Peshawar since 1956 to spy on USSR also forced USSR to get involved in Afghanistan and make sure Americans don't get a foothold. It was a continuation of the great game between Russia and Britain.

If Pakistan was so sincere in helping Afghanistan fight foreign invaders, it wouldn't have let America/Nato use Pakistan as a transit route for over 20 years to continue the war in Afghanistan.
Afghans should have amso let the Russians use Afghanistan as a launching pad to attack Pakistan but our people fought in their own land rather than letting the fight happen in Pakistan.

Pakistan did what it did to look after it's own interests without any regard for what happens to Afghanistan and Acghanistan reserves the same right to look after it's own interests regardless of what happens to Pakistan. That's the harsh reality and lessons learnt during the last 50 years

You talked about 40 years (a deliberate misquotation by Yilda Hakim), but ignore the fact that Afghanistan created and funded militant groups since the birth of Pakistan.

Afghanistan started this, not Pakistan.

Its really easy to end this animosity between the two countries; acknowledge the Durand Line as the official border, and end support to the TTP (or at least disarm them, and move them far away from the border).

Pakistan literally does not care what Afghanistan does within its own borders, so long as it doesn't effect Pakistan.

 

[Starlord]

Sooner or later Pakistan have to fight a bloody but necessary war with Afghanistan, but problem is that Afghanistan has no economy, nor they care about the future of its people, or prosperity, we bomb them and they will hide in caves like they used too, but they will keep dragging Pakistan with them, and thanks to Indian/Afghan new love story, India will be running some "Projects" which will be the fronts for providing funds/support to Afghan Taliban military power, and when Afghans are used up or piss off another western power, Indians will throw them under the bus just like a used Condom that they really are.

 

[The Sundance Kid]

Utterly bizarre, we literally helped the Taliban defeat NATO, the US and Europe in Afghanistan but now we should work with them against the Taliban?!

No love lost for the old 2001-2021 afghani republic.

The deserved the absolute humiliation of losing their entire country forever.

In fact, they got let off easy.

 

[I*R*A]

I'm not sure what world you live when you accuse Afghans of supporting terrorism whilst your defence minister openly admitted on Live Tv that Pakistan has suppprted militant terror groups for 40 years. Pakistan has groups like Lashkar e Taiba, Sipah e Sahaba, jaish e mohammad, lashkar e jhangavi etc etc.

Firstly defense minister's statement was in context of Afghanistan and how western powers left it in mess for Pakistan alone to deal with. And why Pakistan had to support the Afghans, if you agree so much with Pakistani defense minister then he was referring to afghans as terrorists.

Secondly none of the organizations you mentioned went around and blew themselves up killing afghanis in markets or hindus in temples, but the terrorists Afghans and indians support, they go around blowing themselves in Pakistani markets and mosques and killing thousands of innocent Pakistanis.

So the talk and blame coming from an afghan about, who is supporting terrorists actively to kill innocent citizens, makes him look like hypocrite.

Pakistan supported the jihadi groups because it was in Pakistan's interest to stall USSR in Afghanistan as Pakistan would have been next on the list. Russia's aim was to access warm waters of Indian ocean and get close to energy corridors of persian Gulf. Another reason was that Americans wanted revenge for Vietnam and Pakistan being in the American camp since 50s made Pakistan an ideal launchig pad for Afghan Jihad. In a strange way Pakistan hosting CIA operatives in badabir airbase near Peshawar since 1956 to spy on USSR also forced USSR to get involved in Afghanistan and make sure Americans don't get a foothold. It was a continuation of the great game between Russia and Britain.

Communist USSR came to help the Afghan government, not to have access to warm waters. If they wanted any conflict with Pakistan or invade it, they would have advanced towards Pakistan, which they did not, even after Pakistan downed their military jets.

Pakistan did what it did to look after it's own interests without any regard for what happens to Afghanistan and Acghanistan reserves the same right to look after it's own interests regardless of what happens to Pakistan. That's the harsh reality and lessons learnt during the last 50 years

No problems with that, sure afghans can support and be in bed with anyone they want to, the problem only is when Pakistan responds to your support of terrorists, you run to others for peace talks, ceasefire, charsiz killed and so on .. just gather enough courage and face Pakistan like men and prove to the world you are that whatever graveyard you are.

But no, how can Akhunzada betray the national trait of hypocrisy and violating agreements. Where is the honor for an Afghan to stand by his word, that would be too much to ask of him. That is the harsh reality and lesson Pakistanis learnt in last 50 years.

 

[Michael]

No, China should be called out. This is a critical national security matter for Pakistan their position as an ally is shameful

You should make signs displaying your views and go protest in front of the Chinese Embassy in Islamabad. That way, you can mobilize more Pakistanis to support you.

The poor child!

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

You should make signs displaying your views and go protest in front of the Chinese Embassy in Islamabad. That way, you can mobilize more Pakistanis to support you.

The poor child!

Alright I'll do that and upload it on social media for everyone to see

 

[Samurai]

I'm not sure what world you live when you accuse Afghans of supporting terrorism whilst your defence minister openly admitted on Live Tv that Pakistan has suppprted militant terror groups for 40 years. Pakistan has groups like Lashkar e Taiba, Sipah e Sahaba, jaish e mohammad, lashkar e jhangavi etc etc.

I'm not sure if you've heard of the saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". What India calls terrorists, Pakistan calls freedom fighters and vice versa.

Pakistan supported the jihadi groups because it was in Pakistan's interest to stall USSR in Afghanistan as Pakistan would have been next on the list. Russia's aim was to access warm waters of Indian ocean and get close to energy corridors of persian Gulf. Another reason was that Americans wanted revenge for Vietnam and Pakistan being in the American camp since 50s made Pakistan an ideal launchig pad for Afghan Jihad. In a strange way Pakistan hosting CIA operatives in badabir airbase near Peshawar since 1956 to spy on USSR also forced USSR to get involved in Afghanistan and make sure Americans don't get a foothold. It was a continuation of the great game between Russia and Britain.

If Pakistan was so sincere in helping Afghanistan fight foreign invaders, it wouldn't have let America/Nato use Pakistan as a transit route for over 20 years to continue the war in Afghanistan.
Afghans should have amso let the Russians use Afghanistan as a launching pad to attack Pakistan but our people fought in their own land rather than letting the fight happen in Pakistan.

Pakistan did what it did to look after it's own interests without any regard for what happens to Afghanistan and Acghanistan reserves the same right to look after it's own interests regardless of what happens to Pakistan. That's the harsh reality and lessons learnt during the last 50 years

Brother, these times are very tough, because when ever two countries fight, then both sides suffer. But its nice to see an Afghan sharing his political views and the reasons for the animosity with Pakistan here on this forum. I believe if we all debate in a positive and respectful manner, we might get aware of our good and bad deeds and hopefully we learn from all this and maybe in future we might agree to sit down on the table and try to find solutions for all the outstanding issues and ultimately form friendly relations by promote peace and harmony among our people.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Acghanistan reserves the same right to look after it's own interests regardless of what happens to Pakistan. That's the harsh reality and lessons learnt during the last 50 years

Just dont complain about the consequences and become premium perscription victims then