AJK govt bans Joint Awami Action Committee, notification issued

[hussain0216]

Good thing you mentioned sardars. Now tell me who supported these sardars during martail laws made them stronger through there support so they can be used to control our western borders during early years and more so during the cold war era have read that part of the history or tatically ignored that too because it was stupid since your divine jurnails were being implicated? Or the sindhi landlords or pakhtoons sardars?

When goverments are based on gun point they need all the support they could get that is why we still see "elactables" in our system till now and not just internal validation through these dark means but external validations as well and you cant get those without a trade of "kuch lo kuch do" and look how that turns out to be.

Your jurnails lost half the country burned western borders because well you needed validation so you had to fight their wars against your own people or use your own people for so called jihads so made them jihadis promoted religious extermism which came back to bite our ***.

Its what your jurnails sowed that we the bloody civilians are reaping.

They don't have a choice

It's the same with Sharifs, Bhuttos, ANP etc

These groups have public support from a jahil population

Take ANP for example, a party and leadership that has REPEATEDLY made pro Afghanistan statements.
Threatened Pakistans borders and incited it's supporters against our borders and state

You think military wants to allow these haramis to take part in politics?

Yet if you make the choice of hammering down on the party and leadership, you risk riots, terrorism, conflict etc etc


And you will cause instability in Sindh, and Punjab if you go after Bhutto's and Sharifs

And the system doesn't fix itself,
The public keep giving support to these lannats
No one asks for change
And decade after decade we are stuck with the same people


If we were in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on a island, it wouldn't matter as much and we could let the democratic process take shape and being gradual change

But we are not

We are in the middle of a hostile region sitting on a land mine

We have idol worshipping Hindu scum to one side
Afghan scum to the other
Baloch BLA trash
And our own population is COMPLICIT, some supporting the Afghans, others foreign Baloch


I honestly have a lot of respect for the military trying to keep everything working under incredible situation and then our people just spread chaos, and now in Kashmir

 

[uknwit]

They don't have a choice

It's the same with Sharifs, Bhuttos, ANP etc

These groups have public support from a jahil population

Take ANP for example, a party and leadership that has REPEATEDLY made pro Afghanistan statements.
Threatened Pakistans borders and incited it's supporters against our borders and state

Answer: And you know why was ANP created because your jurnails crushed Bacha khans non armed struggles through force which had a generic support who demand was simple to advocate for Pashtun (Pakhtun) nationalism, secularism, provincial autonomy, and the rights of marginalized communities within Pakistan.

You think military wants to allow these haramis to take part in politics?

Yes they do but only until they have a use or they want to undermine or re route them from a generic peoples support of a certain political party

Yet if you make the choice of hammering down on the party and leadership, you risk riots, terrorism, conflict etc etc

What are the demands that needs hammering telling the jurnails to go back to baracks and let the people decide on there own what they want instead of meddling and managing very freaking elections?

And you will cause instability in Sindh, and Punjab if you go after Bhutto's and Sharifs

Who created nawaz and bhutto name the daddys here please and the purposes as well
Bhutto created to undermine and reroute support from ms Jinnah and mujib who had demanded that jurnails go back to barracks and let the people decide. Ironic isnt it same demand even before you were born.

And the system doesn't fix itself,
The public keep giving support to these lannats
No one asks for change
And decade after decade we are stuck with the same people

Every decade you see these jurnails proping up some new political leader to undermine the political system if you want i can provide you dates and names and why they were created and by whom as well

If we were in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on a island, it wouldn't matter as much and we could let the democratic process take shape and being gradual change

But we are not

We are in the middle of a hostile region sitting on a land mine

We wouldn't be in a hostile region if we had not been guns for hire or made stupid decsions our jurnails made who were too drunk to be trusted

We have idol worshipping Hindu scum to one side
Afghan scum to the other
Baloch BLA trash
And our own population is COMPLICIT, some supporting the Afghans, others foreign Baloch

Afghans we all know who when and how they were created. BLA was created in 2000s that too because we promoted jihad in our region for the holy war of america by our divine jurnails and giving arms left and right so they can fight for the holy institution against soviets

I honestly have a lot of respect for the military trying to keep everything working under incredible situation and then our people just spread chaos, and now in Kashmir

Your a blind cultist for sure and have the audacity to call out others lol. Kettle calling the pot black really fits here

 

[uknwit]

They don't have a choice

Oh my god your not denying anything i mentioned above and saying "THEY DONT HAVE A CHOICE?"

You are a extreme cultist. Yes they dont have a choice because the illegitimate illegal treasonous arses would be hanged if they let the people decide for all the wrong doings this institution has done.

 

[Starlord]

damn i didn't know AJK was getting electricity on such low rates, and aata too... all of that subsidized by the Fed govt.

 

[Oscar]

as always is the case, the situation been mishandedled badly. it started with demands for better deal re electicty rates and wheat prices, the dismisal of the rights of Kashmiris right to voe and elect 12 seats in Punjab was controvertial but could've been handled in a better way but as alwasy its our obnoxious attitude to dismiss and silence the Dissent if the protest is weak and raise it up the notch and then run to GHQ when shit hits the fan and finally bend over and try to appease them but to no avail..

yes AJK is very close to noonies and Punjab and this is one reason why the Kashmiris have been specially singled out and executed by terrorists in Balochistan.
although I have seen a video of a dickhead in Mancheter was cursing the establisment and expressed solidarity with everyone under the sun that has an axe to grind against GHQ.

international news is highlighting all this and India cant be more happy. we have given them this chance.

If it continues to escalate - you can kiss your pov on Kashmir goodbye and even open up ambiguity for an Indian intervention in Kashmir under the guise of preventing state atrocities ala 71 while showing how its occupied Kashmir has made much more progress compared to AJk.

 

[Oscar]

People here talking about the "THE ONLY FUNCTIONAL INSTITUTION" Is like dubai or saudia media owned by saudi or dubai kings saying according to our nuetral and "totally unbiased investigation" the only person who is most honest and the right person to lead and make decisions is the Saudi or Dubai king

Problem isn’t that it is the only functional institution but that its by design and not just by some grand conspiracy but by the very characteristics of who Pakistanis are. The result that is the overlording of the military and elites otherwise of many irrational but many rational choices made by the majority of Pakistan within the confines of their society, education and culture.

The various probabilities that fell together to put Pakistan here were frankly a series of unfortunate events that were able to increase the probability of bad if rational choices to the actors based on who and when they were.

Even this high handedness is just a “rational” choice to current setup based on their backgrounds and any opposing it are not in majority BECAUSE the overall intake of who now makes up the establishment (elite, feudal, military and all) sees this as the rational approach.

 

[Ak01]

Guys, all I am going to say is that it breaks my heart to see that India has not only succeeded in creating unrest in KPK but in Balochistan and AJK as well and due to our own policies, there is now a propoganda among certain people that AJK is getting suppressed.

unfortunately pinning the blame on India will be our downfall.

Blaming India means we get to overlook introspect. We dont need to criticise ourselves and understand why the unrest, when we can just say its indian sponsored mischief.

Until we continue to blame india for all of our issues, and not actually look inside, they'll remain.

 

[c14-Isotope]

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Pakistan did not pay anything to the AJK government as water usage charges/royalty for Mangla Dam for 36 years.
In 2003, they started paying 15 paisa per unit when they were paying 1 rupee 15 paisa per unit to other provinces of Pakistan.
The government of Azad Kashmir received 1/7th of what what other provinces were receiving for hydropower.

But the most egregious part is that while AJK government receives pittance for exporting hydro electricity to Pakistan, Pakistan re-exports the same electricity back to AJK at exorbitant costs!

 

[Reichmarshal]

When she can be declared a raw agent, then the rest of us dont have a hope or prayer.

The core problem with Pakistan is that in a quest for "sada bandha," we have appointed the "least competent" person, out all available, throughout all govt. institutions, but especially the office of the army chief. This permeates throughout the system.
This has not only damaged the institution but at the same time damaged the country. This, coupled with the "gernali mind set" has fu@#ked Pakistan through n through.
The situation faced by Pakistan, both internal and external are even worse then wt we faced in 71. The only reason why we are not facing a full-on onslaught from india is that they don't have the balls and, in spite of the false bravado the hindu is scared sh!tless. No wonder a few thousand muslims ruled over them for more than a 1000 years.

The only way to move forward n save Pakistan is to strictly adhere to merit and competence

 

[imadul]

All PTI is doing at the moment is spreading propaganda against Pakistan

PTI can no longer be trusted and their cultish supporters have become a deranged threat

You just don't have an answer.
What propaganda?
Is there peace in Pakistan?
Is there free press?
Killing people is not the solution.
Army did not learn any lessons from 1971.
They have rather erased the memory.
And history repeats.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

That's accurate no issue here. Mughal empire fine, but the other two were enemies of ours and hence a separate identity emerged from that. So I will add some details.

We can go back further and if you look it wasn't part of the Punjab region, in the Ancient Period (before c. 1000 CE)Most of present-day Azad Kashmir (especially Muzaffarabad, Neelum Valley, Poonch) was culturally and politically linked to the broader Kashmir region, centred on the Kashmir Valley. It was ruled at various times by kingdoms such as the Karkota Dynasty and Lohara Dynasty. It was generally not administered as part of the Punjab plains. During the Medieval Period (1000–1586) local hill chieftains ruled many areas, Poonch and surrounding districts were often connected to Kashmir rulers, though control varied. The region remained part of the Himalayan hill zone rather than the core Punjab region.

Now going back to the Sikh empire, our people won a magnificent victory in 1810, in the battle that was fought in and around the Poonch–Rajouri/Bhimber area. The Sikh empire was only defeated two other times in battle in present day Pakistan that was the Battle of Attock (1813) and the Nowshera Campaign (1823), both fought by the Pashtuns. Sure their empire won through but that further developed our identity as fierce independent people. The Dogra scum were gifted their part by the British and were hard to defeat due to the British being their benefactors. With the the Second World War around 90,000 of our men enlisted, despite the cries of the Dogras. When the partition happened, we wiped them out as the British couldn't care less. This was primarily fought by us, Pashtun help came later and then the regular Pakistani army.

We do have a unique identity, but that doesn't change the fact that we are Pakistanis and fought to be part of the union. Only the Northern Areas also did that . We should settle things amicably between us.

Someone from Bhimber/Mirpur have little in common with someone from Neelam valley. Both are AJK because these areas were gifted to Dogra for their services to British. Not taking in to account ethnicity or languages. And then ended up with Pakistan and thats how modern AJK came in to being. Its neither Kashmir nor Jammu.

Pakistan pushed this identity on to AJK to keep the dispute alive.

 

[Olympus81]

Same old modus operandi by the boys.

When the public start calling for their rights and representation then start abducting, media blackouts, release intelligence touts to create a false narrative, rig elections. And when things don’t fall into place, just slap a traitor stamp.

There is only 1 common denominator since the inception of Pakistan that has brought the country to where it is. The rest is all noise.

The UN has already come out with an article stripping the officials naked and blaming them of gross human rights issue. What moral standing do you have on standing up to IoK?

 

[Cesur]

AJK is not and never has been 99% Punjabi, no one calls themselves Punjabi. The people of AJK fought the Sikh Punjabi empire, Punjab in Pakistan (people in charge, nobles) did not and allied with it.
I will agree with you there is some misuse of the Kashmiri identity, as that the people, around 85% are descended from tribes that migrated from Punjab hundreds of years ago. However, parallels can be draw with Afghanistan, where traditionally being Afghan meant you were Pashtun, however that doesn't stop or put off Tajiks which is a different ethnicity calling themselves Afghan.
Again I'll agree there is no 'oppression' as such, but the people of AJK have suffered and it's them who are the first to be shaheed whenever the Indian army opens up with heavy guns. There has been literally hundreds of deaths due to cross border fire. Excluding yourself I find it erroneous that someone sitting in a housing colony in Lahore and Karachi can be tapping out on their keyboard on how the people are traitors and should be crushed, when they themselves haven't seen a single day of suffering.
As for the stripping away of rights, we don't know who holds the seats and they have been used for political leverage. I have no issue with the seats and they should be kept for the ancestors of those who migrated. So where are all the Ganis, Bhatts, Lones, Gilanis, Mirs etc?
The figure for Lahore is more or less correct and comes from the 2017 census.

You acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of AJK's population descends from tribes that migrated from Punjab and that many speak languages such as Pahari, Potohari, Hindko, or Punjabi rather than Kashmiri. Yet you reject any Punjabi connection while simultaneously claiming a Kashmiri identity.

The Afghanistan comparison does not work because "Afghan" evolved into a national identity encompassing multiple ethnic groups. "Kashmiri," however, has traditionally referred to an ethnic and linguistic group originating from the Kashmir Valley. If ethnicity matters, then ancestry, language, and historical origin cannot simply be ignored.

You also portray the Sikh Empire as a Punjabi force opposed by AJK. But Sikhs themselves are Punjabis. Ranjit Singh's empire was fundamentally a Punjabi-led state, and many of the groups that later became part of Pakistan's Punjab, Jammu, and AJK were incorporated into it. Fighting the Sikh Empire does not somehow make a population non-Punjabi.

Nobody denies that people living along the LoC have suffered from Indian shelling and cross-border conflict. However, suffering does not determine ethnicity. The question of who is ethnically Kashmiri is separate from the question of who has suffered because of the Kashmir dispute.

If the basis for being Kashmiri is political affiliation rather than ethnicity, language, ancestry, or geography, then the term loses any clear meaning. By that logic, millions of non-Kashmiris who support the Kashmir cause could also claim to be Kashmiris.

 

[Samlee]

No, it's not. NS had no goons who would attack military installations, insult and disgrace shuhada. NS used to attend the funeral prayers of shuhada and even go to the home for condolences with their dear one. Filth has not attended even a SINGLE funeral prayers of ANY shaheed of Pakistan military. That defines the difference.

This filth has never condemned terrorist attacks on Pakistani security forces by the terrorists of TTP and BLA. Same Zionist/Hindutva masters created the filth and terrorists in Pakistan. These are actually the two sides of the same coin.

Let me see where you stand. Can you condemn the terrorists attacks by TTP and BLA? Do you condemn the attacks on military installations by PTI goons/terrorists on May 9th?

Oh ok thanx for showing me what a pr*ck you are.So maligning state institutions in international media is ok, accusing them of drug smuggling is ok,accusing you're own army of supporting cross border terrorism and then getting Pakistan into FATF grey list is completely halal.Somehow that is not a disgrace to shuhada.


You're pathetic tactics at deflection won't work with me I don't have any issue condemning bla/ttp.My real uncle fell to a TTP bullet in Waziristan.Nor do I condone the events of 9th May I say their should be an independent investigation into it.


But you would never condemn Nawaz for sending goons to attack supreme court nor will you condemn Maryam to send goons to attack NAB because you're nothing but their boy who*re.


I can go on and on about what a grand filth you're beloved Nawaz is but it's pointless since over consumption of khota biryani has impaired your cognitive abilities

 

[hussain0216]

You just don't have an answer.
What propaganda?
Is there peace in Pakistan?
Is there free press?
Killing people is not the solution.
Army did not learn any lessons from 1971.
They have rather erased the memory.
And history repeats.

Look around you, PTI will even turn up when our forces or police are killed

Currently PTI is dangerous for the country

Fundamentally we have a problem, the problem is Pakistan isn't made up of one group, called the Pakistani

It's made up of 5-6 groups
And these groups are pushing in different directions with increasing hostility between them

Some groups are incredibly violent, will kill travellers and labourers

Their demands are not reasonable, they want special condition for their group that no-one else should get

Some want special rates or electricity or gas
Others want borders completely open or erased with foreign often hostile states
Others want to take Pakistani sovereign territory and become part of other states
Others want to create kingdoms in their areas only ruled by their own ethnicity
All of them are corrupt

We have two barely functional areas and that's Punjab and Karachi

We are being held together by the security forces

And everyone knows it, it's the only force keeping us together, with a eye on foreign enemies and the internal lannats

No democracy, create a autocratic system and start taking out these idiots one by one