Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Mojtaba folded just like his father in the end.

Iran wants to sign a 60 day ceasefire extension to begin negotiations on the nuclear program, which they will certainty then use to stall Trump until mid terms so that republicans suffer large losses

 

[RocketLaw]

Apologize, we don't have Asim Munir in Pakistan.

Correction is

Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif, the most powerful man right now.

 

[KingQamaR]

Only when US started getting its a*rse handed over…. Munir came to rescue its masters… wrong thread so apologies

Pakistan did not ask for this, he asked them to ask to give himself an out.

 

[Yasser76]

after weeks of insisting negotiations are totally frozen and not happening, Iran admits negotiations are active and ongoing

they even said Iran had withdrawn from negotiations after the US attacked Iran several times

awkward moment when Trump was telling the truth all along and Iran was lying through their teeth

whatever deal happens, whatever the details, it is clear Iran has changed the security dynamics of the Middle East permanently. This is the Suez moment for the US. Just like back then it marked the end of British influence in the Middle East, I expect the same now.

US military know their bases in the region are useless, GCC know they are useless (hence seeking other allies like Pakistan). Israel's ability to act beyond it's immediate region has been curtailed. Smaller GCC nations will know have to always take Iranian interests into accont.

Anyway you look at this, it is a massive win for Iran. Sign a deal, rebuild, and take your rightful place in the region and in history

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[BigMela2onin]

Anyway you look at this, it is a massive win for Iran. Sign a deal, rebuild, and take your rightful place in the region and in history

US will go back on their obligations as they always have throughout history. After JCPOA, there was no foreign investment in Iran. There will likely not be any now either if a "deal" is signed. We will back to war before 2030.

 

[Watandar]

US will go back on their obligations as they always have throughout history. After JCPOA, there was no foreign investment in Iran. There will likely not be any now if a "deal" is signed.

Iran can live without FDI for the time being as long as it can sell its oil and gas.

 

[VCheng]

Anyway you look at this, it is a massive win for Iran. Sign a deal, rebuild, and take your rightful place in the region and in history

As I have said before, "live to fight another day" is a sound geopolitcal principle.

 

[VCheng]

after weeks of insisting negotiations are totally frozen and not happening, Iran admits negotiations are active and ongoing

they even said Iran had withdrawn from negotiations after the US attacked Iran several times

awkward moment when Trump was telling the truth all along and Iran was lying through their teeth

I would not be so harsh. Both sides were - and are - playing to their respective audiences, that is all.

 

[delta2]

after weeks of insisting negotiations are totally frozen and not happening, Iran admits negotiations are active and ongoing

they even said Iran had withdrawn from negotiations after the US attacked Iran several times

awkward moment when Trump was telling the truth all along and Iran was lying through their teeth

They're all in on it raking in hundreds of billions of dollars from market speculation due to the very war they are controlling from both sides.

Nothing is like as it appears.

 

[tsunset]

Americans are willing to commit suicide for the sake of Israel and Jews personal interests

 

[Master Chief]

This thread needs to avoid jingoism and subjectivity that have crept into the discourse of late. Even the most diehard Iranian ultra will need to acknowledge that something has quite suddenly gone wrong. Iran brought NOTHING NEW to bear in this period, either militarily, or diplomatically, or strategically.

These last two weeks have seen Iran rather pathetically surrender the carefully constructed leverage it had amassed in the preceding two months.

Even if the latest salvo of Iranian missiles and drones impacted some US bases in response to the US strikes, which may well be the case, it matters little if the perception persists that Iran could not respond with sufficient vigour to exert harm upon American objectives or to even stall American progress.

Still, this drama is far from over. Iran surprised us all two months ago. I still feel they will try a more novel approach soon enough.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It’s a bit odd Trump wants to sign in Europe? I would be very wary that this isn’t another assassination attempt by Israel. Let’s see..

 

[SolarWarden]

Mojtaba folded just like his father in the end.

Iran wants to sign a 60 day ceasefire extension to begin negotiations on the nuclear program, which they will certainty then use to stall Trump until mid terms so that republicans suffer large losses

That's not how it works. Sixty days from now is early August elections are in early Nov once the 60 days are up if Iran hasn't agreed with what Orangeman wants he's gonna bomb again. Orangeman losing in the midterms is the norm it has happened to just about every president since the 80's however the dems have selected whacked out candidates and SCOTUS has deemed race redistricting illegal so southern states have been removing congressional democrat seats giving republicans seats by default so republicans will keep the house and very likely keep the senate.

 

[tsunset]

Pahlavi total degenerates mocks children of Minab massacre



Transfer of Reza Pahlavi in Iran for fair trial should be included in any deal