Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

Trump is doing the very same thing he criticized Obama for doing in 2015

The only difference is that Obama has done it directly from the US and Trump is doing it using intermediaries to save face

 

[VCheng]

The Marshall Plan by another name.

What does Iran have to do to get those funds, I wonder?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

This benefits the US. The strait is open. What did Iran get out of it talks. Is the Strait still controlled by Iran?

I think the US naval blockade on Iranian ports is lifted after the deal is signed. Iran also gets its blocked and frozen funds released.

 

[Watandar]

What does it mean opportunity for Pakistan? Is Pakistan a mercenary army? Give me money and I'll station some forces on your territory? And against whom? The only ones the arab states need help against is israel, not iran. And iran will pound the arab states when necessary, whether pakistan is there or not. Remember how pakistan smartly didn't allow itself to be pulled into yemen in the 2010s?

The opportunity is replacing the US footprint in the Mideast with forces from Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and some GCC themselves. It's been a topic of discussion between the foreign ministers of these countries. Yes it does include some economic incentives for the countries deploying forces.

The objective is close the gates to further US / Israel wars.

 

[TAC]

To the contrary, not all analysts appear to be in agreement.

Can you confirm which independent reputable ones ( not blind Trump worshippers) are suggesting the US won this thing?

 

[KingQamaR]

I think the US naval blockade on Iranian ports is lifted after the deal is signed. Iran also gets its blocked and frozen funds released.

Some reports say, Concessions have been made by both sides. Reports Iran maybe on its Nuclear and US to lift sanctions or release funds.

 

[Watandar]

It's not trolling

Iran's navy and airforce have been severely degraded albeit not completely destroyed as Trump claims

If they are down to give 300 billions for reconstruction, why not allow F-15, F-16 and F-35 purchases?

Russia is not delivering and scamming Iran

it's a creative approach and will be a good use of the frozen US funds. The problem however is that Iran may never get the finished product like when Pakistan was sanctioned in the 90s, and instead of F16's it had paid for it got the equivalent amount in wheat and soybeans.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Can you confirm which independent reputable ones ( not blind Trump worshippers) are suggesting the US won this thing?

That's just it. I can't. Both sides have their biases. Some more evident than others.

Hence why I want to see that actual signed agreement.

 

[Eşbah]

Those celebrating Iranian victory, removal of sanctions, 300B, "hold your horses".

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I share the skepticism regarding the reports. They seem overly optimistic. It's unlikely that anyone in the US would deposit 300 billion USD into the accounts of IRGC members without expecting something of equal value in return [read: surrender].

I think the Iranian leadership has made concessions on several critical matters, yet they are making a concerted effort to present this as a significant victory to the public in order to muddy the waters.

10 pages ago, we were discussing how Iran's military response in general can be categorised as a failure.

Now, the Iranian leadership is somehow dictating the terms of a future peace deal? Sorry but this is the Middle East and not some Disney fairytale.

Somebody is lying. That's obvious.

 

[Watandar]

Some reports say, Concessions have been made by both sides. Reports Iran maybe on its Nuclear and US to lift sanctions or release funds.

That's called a successful negotiation and compromise.

 

[KingQamaR]

It’s more likely Irans nuclear issue has been kicked down the road. “OR” There’s a deal to agree to talks later . That’s it means absolutely nothing.

 

[TAC]

What others do is up to them. IMO it is better to know what the terms actually are before opining.

Going off prematurely in a huff, according to preformed views, without even knowing what the details are, is not exactly the epitome of a robust analytical process.

Good for you & best of luck with that. IMO it’s not going off prematurely but based on solid facts of everything said / done so far and everything not done despite dozens of threats followed by as many climb downs by the orange idiot.

 

[VCheng]

Somebody is lying. That's obvious.

They both are, probably, in that they both have to sell it to their own public, as you put it: "making a concerted effort to present this as a significant victory to the public".

 

[VCheng]

based on solid facts of everything said / done so far

Solid? Nothing thus far is solid, except seeing the terms being finally disclosed for the final, signed agreement.

 

[TAC]

What does it mean opportunity for Pakistan? Is Pakistan a mercenary army? Give me money and I'll station some forces on your territory? And against whom? The only ones the arab states need help against is israel, not iran. And iran will pound the arab states when necessary, whether pakistan is there or not. Remember how pakistan smartly didn't allow itself to be pulled into yemen in the 2010s?

So by that measure the US is a mercenary army too for having all those bases in the GCC?