Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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LMAO! It's all over Telegram people are saying.....

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Saw this 😂
 
VCheng said:
It’s horrible and senseless. No land, no matter how sacred, is worth this agony for innocent children. But Allah made humanity this way, from the very noble to being such savages to each other, in His infinite wisdom. Hamas is also carrying out its attacks as best as it can, just as Israel is doing it. The population is caught in the middle.
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Allah has given human freedom to decide. Every decision has its own consequences. We just have to make sure that any decision we made is not based on emotional, but rational thinking. Islam is very rational and teach us to think long term (Akherat) instead of short term (Dunya). We can see many murder, corruption, suicide, many zinah happened in this world every day, these are action based on emotional thinking, these are people with short sight and being controlled by their emotional side (revenge, anger, physical pleasure, wordly pleasure, etc)
 
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Indos said:
Allah has given human freedom to decide. Every decision has its own consequences. We just have to make sure that any decision we made is not based on emotional, but rational thinking. We can see many murder, corruption, many zinah happened in this world every day, these are action based on emotional thinking, these are people with short sight and being controlled by their emotional side.
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What is your solution? Palestinians signed Oslo and were rewarded with more occupation, oppression, illegal settlements, killed with impunity, etc This is what you want the status quo to be. I want the West to stop giving them arming and forcing them to stop this. This is the only way to peace. You cannot expect a people not to resist when these justices continue.

Their actions before and now have shown they do not want peace but all of Palestinian without the Palestinians.

I hope your solution is not to just be a cuck.
 
VCheng said:
Like I have said many times before, regardless of what one regards as the righteous or the usurper side, how does one effectively resolve a geopolitical issue with the horrible casualties that we are seeing for so many months? That is the real question. Arguing who set fire to the building that both live in is no reason to fight the fire only after one side or the other concedes.
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You resolve it by removing the occupier from the occupieds land

At the moment with the wests support they have tried to force the Jews upon the region creating chaos


We need the opposite, the Jews need to be free in Europe or America so the middle east can be at peace
 
hussain0216 said:
You resolve it by removing the occupier from the occupieds land

At the moment with the wests support they have tried to force the Jews upon the region creating chaos


We need the opposite, the Jews need to be free in Europe or America so the middle east can be at peace
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Excellent idea. How do we implement it?
 
VCheng said:
Excellent idea. How do we implement it?
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By making life for the Jews in the middle east unbearable, that means sanction and isolation from the wider region

To increase the Muslim population in the west, link up with good people and create pressure on politicians and companies to sanction and divest from Israel

Use our population to put pressure on Jews across the world and make them feel the consequences of supporting Israel
 
VCheng said:
Where is the rational thinking in this thread?
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Hamas attack is emotional, Israel genocide is emotional based as well. These will not give good consequence for both parties. We see for example what happened in Gaza after Hamas attack. For Israel, they will get the consequence as well with what they are doing in Gaza by killing so many civilians. Every thing that is made with emotional thinking will not result in good thing.

We can see the opposite like when Jerusalem is taken by Salahudin Al Ayyubi. He do the war with high moral and with comparable capabilities with the Crusaders and the consequence is lasting peace for so many centuries.
 
I think we can all agree here that Gaza and the West Bank are occupied territories and the people are occupied - the occupying force has a duty to protect the people they occupy under international law and this is known as conflict mitigation.

Israel has failed in its duty and therefore should be condemned as a pariah state!
 
Unknowntruth said:
www.middleeasteye.net

Hamas in 2017: The document in full

Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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That is the same document I linked and this is the relevant section:

The position toward Occupation and political solutions​

18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
 
hussain0216 said:
By making life for the Jews in the middle east unbearable, that means sanction and isolation from the wider region

To increase the Muslim population in the west, link up with good people and create pressure on politicians and companies to sanction and divest from Israel

Use our population to put pressure on Jews across the world and make them feel the consequences of supporting Israel
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Good thoughts no doubt. But it will take some time. How much longer would you tolerate what is going on right now?
 
VCheng said:
That is the same document I linked and this is the relevant section:

The position toward Occupation and political solutions​

18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
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It clearly says they will agree to 1967 borders. Once again, there would be no Hamas or any other resistance group without occupation and oppression.
 
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