Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

NETANYAHU also attacked Qatar and they threatened Pakistan too.

The Greater Israel project threatens the territorial integrity of many Arab Countries including S.Arabia , Iraq , Syria , Egypt , Lebanon , Jordan

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That is what they are showing at the moment but they want to massively expand it from the shaded region shown above. They see Turkiye and Iran as the BIGGEST threats to a greater israel.
 
International reporting on the pact, seems like a big deal globally










 
I will bet you good money that Indians will cry publicly while Israelis will at least have the common courtesy to cry into their pillows privately.


They ALREADY are on social media.......................:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:........................They are blaming modi and jaishankar for this............................:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
What a return after long 100 years! And, during this 100 years the Muslim Heartlands haven't seen a single day of peace and tranquility......

A brave hero rises up from the place he falls down.....

Paraphrasing Ustad Yahya Kemal (the first Turkish ambassador to Pakistan):

This raging storm is the Turk/Pak Ordu Ya Rabbi
This is the Ordu to die for YOUR SAKE Ya Rabbi
Let them exalt with Azan YOUR Mueyyed-i Nam
Grant them victory for they are the last Ordu of Islam
 
Unlike Iran, Houthis or Lebenon... Pakistan operates a modern, networked air force built around fighters, AEW&C, electronic warfare, data links. Pakistan therefore does not have to rely on SAM batteries alone. India got a demonstration of that in May 2025, when Pakistani fighters shot Indian aircraft from across the border in their own territory ; The entire Indian Air Force (4th largest airforce in the world) was grounded for two days, something even their own CDS acknowledged.

Pakistan’s PL 15 missiles outgun and outrange Israeli AMRAAMs, while the PAF also operates a substantial AWACS fleet, in fact larger than Israel’s own fleet. More importantly, Israel knows that any direct conflict with Pakistan carries an entirely different level of risk than Iran..because the fallout could ultimately become nuclear.
This sounds like the brochure of a company that makes vaporware. Your weird examples of Houthis or Sindoor do not apply to Israel, a country with missiles and an Air Force that far exceeds India or Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. In addition the Israelis have access to unlimited Western intel , EW, radar , weapons etc. I am not going to debate your silly nuke talk.

Do you think a Pakistan that fights Israel will get IMF/World Bank loans ? Or its elites will get visas to the most-desired West ? or GSP trade status in Europe ?

Do you think India and the Taliban will sit quietly while Pakistan is gallantly fighting far away Israelis to protect far-away Saudis ?

The target of this pact is not Israel.
 
I will bet you good money that Indians will cry publicly while Israelis will at least have the common courtesy to cry into their pillows privately.
Oh they already are, i came across some of their media clips on youtube shorts, they are already trying to make this whole thing about them, these countries like India/Iran/Israel they are so self-centered that someone farts and they think its against them, bro chill... Pakistan-KSA has this agreement in talks long before, and Pak-Turkiye defense relationship didn't started yesterday, they just formalize it after Israel's bombing of Doha, and threatening Turkiye, a lot of people saying that if India attack Pakistan will Turkiye come to aid Pakistan, why do we need Turkish soldiers? their equipment is what we need, its similar that Turkiye is NATO country, if tomorrow Israel and Turkiye goes to War, what will happen then? the point is that USA will make sure that Turkiye and Israel never start war, and just keep issuing firey statements, its a deterrance. We don't need KSA/Turks to fight for us against India or Taliban, as long as we get drones, resources and access to intelligence and tech, we can take care of that ourselves.

Israeli's don't have to worry as they still have America with them, I would worry as Israeli the day America is no longer a super power, or collapse (which is not happening anytime soon). Turkiye added an extra layer of security to its already robust secure layers vis v vis Syria , Azerbaijan etc. KSA got America (for now) and now Pakistan entering picture with some serious military stuff, so people needs to chillax, give time for this alliance to breath.. Specially the Pakistani Shia and Iranians, i expect them to be better than Lund Bhakts Indians who see every Fart a Pakistani release is a act of terrorism against them.
 
Well PAF have a significant fleet of F-16's that can be dedicated to this PACT, JF-17s' - J-10's and future J-35's can be strictly for PAF individual use against the enemy on the Yeast. If the F-16's upgraded indeed happen, and some money can be set aside for some additional F-16's than they can serve this alliance for next 8-10 years or more. I wonder what and how KAAN will now pitch to this alliance, we know KSA wants 100 units which will make them 2nd biggest operator of KAAN, if PAF also order 2-4 sq in the future that will also bring the interoperability to these 3 forces.

I think the F16s for now(with J-35AE's to displace the need for the F16s in the PAF), and the KAAN in the near future will be the focal point for this alliance. Saudi has 'spoken' about purchasing 100 units of KAAN, though I have not seen that get converted into a contract unlike the Indonesian case.
 
Here is a timeline of events that should make it easier to understand why this deal was signed and why it cannot simply be reduced to an anti Iran alliance.

2011 onward, Pivot to Asia: Washington begins shifting its strategic attention toward China and the Indo Pacific while gradually reducing the enormous military footprint it had built across the Middle East after 9/11.

2010s to early 2020s: Regional powers including Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Iran increasingly prepare for a Middle East where the U.S. security umbrella may no longer be as dependable. They begin developing more independent foreign policies, defence capabilities and regional partnerships.

Pakistan Saudi cooperation: This relationship was not created by the recent confrontation with Iran. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have maintained extensive defence ties for decades, while the 2025 defence pact itself was described as the culmination of years of discussions.

2020 to 2023: Washington continues looking for a more permanent reduction of its direct military burden in the Middle East. The Abraham Accords form part of a broader attempt to establish a new regional political and security architecture.

After October 2023: The Gaza war and the subsequent Israel Iran escalation pull the United States deeply back into the Middle East. Washington is forced to surge major naval, air and air defence assets into the region, disrupting its long term objective of concentrating more resources on China and the Indo Pacific.

Post 2026: The U.S. attempts to decisively weaken the Iranian regime while pushing the remaining regional states toward the Abraham Accords framework. The campaign, however, fails to fully achieve those objectives.

So the Pakistan Saudi Türkiye framework should be viewed in this much broader context.

Brilliant!
This forum has more quality than most of the analysts out there earing $$$ for their pearls of wisdom.
To your post, I'd add this: The Americans rightly see China as the Soviet Union and have been trying to get away from the Middle East quagmires, starting with the Oslo Accord of the 90s. The Oslo Accord were signed under a Democratic Bill Clinton. The 'Pivot' to 'Indo Pacific' was signed under a Democratic Obama. Also, the JCPOA with Iran was also signed by a Democratic Obama. Looking at all the events over the decades, I have come to believe that the irrationality in American policies in the Middle East is driven by the Zealots who dominate the Republican Party with Trump as the most obvious manifestation of that.
But irrational behavior yields to bad results. And thus I see America eventually getting out of the Middle East, as it should. The latest alignment of countries, as the topic of this thread, is a clear manifestation of the emerging geopolitics. This change is irreversible short of an irrational American POTUS nuking large swathes of land in and around the Middle East.
 
Specially the Pakistani Shia and Iranians, i expect them to be better than Lund Bhakts Indians who see every Fart a Pakistan release is a act of terrorism against them.
Why should they worry? Jinnah was from Shia Mezheb. And, both Khamnai and Pezeshkian are Turks.....
 
Outside of financing Saudi really offers nothing. So you include them either for that or you don't include them. Their not going to fight any serious war. Pakistanis include them exactly because of the money, nothing else.

So for Saudi to be included in an alliance with a military strong and important nation like Turkiye there must be financial obligations. And i don't even mean handing money to Turkiye, i mean instead of spending billions of western hardware, they should buy Turkish instead.
Pakistan Turkey tried to form alliance with Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Qatar, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan etc during Malaysian Summit, one phone call from Saudis our PM didnt attend the event, the threat was they want the loan back and will send millions of workers back. So financial obligations are not needed for Saudis, they can say we have millions of Pakistani workers in GCC, they also at times give oil on loan and a few billions to help if we get financial crises. For the Saudis this is enough to control Pakistan. The question is will Pakistan now be helping Saudis in Yemen, Somalia and other Muslim nations, to remove independent government's and employ Saudi puppets like in Syria. Or is the alliance just defensive in nature, to protect the house of Saud and wahhabism.
 
India , Israel and Greece are cying



Big love to nuclear Power Pakistan which gives nuclear umbrella to S.Arabia and Turkiye

Money and technology should follow into Pakistan from S.Arabia and Turkiye
 
I think the F16s for now(with J-35AE's to displace the need for the F16s in the PAF), and the KAAN in the near future will be the focal point for this alliance. Saudi has 'spoken' about purchasing 100 units of KAAN, though I have not seen that get converted into a contract unlike the Indonesian case.
I think KAAN will make the backbone for these 3 countries as its technologically at par with F-35's but sanction free for KSA/Pakistan and other potential countries who wants to join the PACT. And as for other smallar and weaker economies, they can invest in plattforms like JF-17's which brings Pakistan's expertise into the equation, like Azerbaijan as example, they will be operating JF-17's and future KAAN too, JF-17's can give them numbers, while KAAN can be their main air superiority fighter, perfect Hi-low mix.
 
Why should they worry? Jinnah was from Shia Mezheb. And, both Khamnai and Pezeshkian are Turks.....
Your guess is as good as mine, despite what Pakistan has done to broker a peace, this entire Iranian negotiating team owe their safety to PAF, we have protected them from the time they flew to come to Pakistan, and despite first round failed and Israel's secret plan to kill the negotiating team mid air we manage to get them safe, by putting our pilots at risk of engaging Israel AF.
 

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