Desert
Registered Member
again we didn't welcome this alliance and we didn't join it.
Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates
- Thread starter hyperman
- Start date
Desert
Registered Member
Very well , that's what i'm saying , the alliance is for securing the house of saud , right? so it's not aimed at helping gaza or defending the middle east against zionists or western influence or etc.
PakAl
Elite Member
But why? He is doing whatever needs to be done to protect Egypt, I visited Egypt, the development is amazing, new cities built, tourism cities, infrastructure, educated people who you can have a great conversation with, great history preservation, ofcourse poor people also exist but that's all over Africa and Asia. Morsi was the MB, he was implementing their policies, he was encouraging Egyptians to join jihad against Syria etc and we all know now who was behind it. I understand some Egyptians may want anti Israel Egypt but when you fought 3 wars against Israel, noone came to aid Egypt except Syria, Iraq, Jordan, all other arabs gave moral support so he needs to be careful, fighting Israel will invite Iran style attack and noone will help Egypt. He is slowly building Egypt but cutting edge technologies can only be provided by the Usa so what can he do. Its not really SISI but Egyptian military establishment who is calling the shots. Also look at Sinai terrorism, someone out their is supporting and funding them, they want Syria, Libya, Yemen style rebellion in Egypt.
Hakikat ve Hikmet
VIP Member
Desert
Registered Member
That's what you see but the truth is darker.
He's building Egypt through loans from either U.S , E.U or other countries and international bank, what kind of development is that ? i prefer living in a shitty place (free) rather than living in a fancy place and my hands are cuffed by the loans.
all you see which are the development or the infrastructure or the new cities are the products of LOANS.
1 dollar in moris era = 5 EGP
in sisi era 1 dollar = 52 EGP
PakAl
Elite Member
Nope, Israel is the Usa so do we think Usa biggest allies are making alliance against the Usa, plus expecting Usa to sell them F35s to defend against Usa/Israel. Saudia is the biggest Muslim ally of the Usa, Turkey is Nato ally but also has own ambitions, Pakistan is Usa ally but wants Muslim nations getting together. Down the line more nations will join the defence pact. I think Saudis wanted Pakistan to defend them but Pakistan invited Turkey to play it safe.
PK781
Trusted Member
Let them. They see their shameful crushing future so they’ll be in alot of pain along with their Zionist fatherlund
Hakikat ve Hikmet
VIP Member
The Turkish analyst on the Mecca Pact dubbed in English:
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
What is the likelihood this is centered around keeping Saudi oil flowing, at least from the Red Sea, for now?
Saudia has regional challenges to being the dominant voice in the region from Israel, Iran, and the UAE, in that order. If Saudi is looking to check the influence of these powers with this new “WATO; West Asia Treaty Organization”, it will obviously have to focus on its western coast the shipping lanes (in a defensive manner only in hopes the conflict resolves soon through diplomacy), but broadly, it will have to stabilize the unstable countries that are under the influence, to one degree or another, by these three powers.
So a force to end the civil war in Sudan and Libya, ending the fracture of Somalia, and even displacing foreign influence in the Eritrea could go a long way in nipping festering and growing threats in the bud, while opening up economic opportunities for Vision 2030.
P.S. hopefully the Saudis have accepted neither Turkey nor Pakistan want to send troops into Yemen. At best the Saudi could help fund a build up the navies of all three nations, to allow their tankers to transit the Red Sea safely. This pact would be best at building up capabilities, industrial, military, economic, and finally diplomatic.
If Sudan and Libya are secured, it opens up economic opportunities with the rest of Africa. If Afghanistan is stabilized it opens up opportunities for all three nations vis a vis Central Asia and Russia. If Syria is rebuilt well, it helps link Saudi with Turkey and opportunities with Europe.
2nd P.S. On the military side, if funding is provided, massive tunnel cities could be build in all three nations, and just like Iran, all three nations could hold military power in unforeseen by any potential foe, increasing the deterrence factor.
Furthermore, adequate funding to allow Pakistan to accelerate its fissile material program with a series of fast breeder reactors in secure underground complexes, could allow Pakistan to provide a nuclear umbrella to all three nations, from those same underground missile bases. For an Air Force delivery method, if the PFX is deployed in adequate numbers and has an internal bay, it could carry a stealthy nuclear cruise missile. While funding towards a nuclear submarine or even a nuclear battery powered PN SSK/SSBK program could give the alliance nuclear protection from the sea. A unique deterrence only adequate funding to Pakistan could enable.
3rd P.S. to create a stabilizing force for those African nations, Pakistan should consider, alongside a modernize navy, the raising of a larger marine Corp; three division large to allow one division to be available for deployment to stabilization missions, and not so large that it gets drag into a ground war in Yemen. Like UN peacekeepers given better rules of engagement to enforce the peace, after a Saudi lead delegation works out a peace deal in a place like Sudan. Should any side break the peace, we have seen what even one division of a modern military (supported by modern air power) could do, if we look at the French Operation Barkhane.
Saudia has regional challenges to being the dominant voice in the region from Israel, Iran, and the UAE, in that order. If Saudi is looking to check the influence of these powers with this new “WATO; West Asia Treaty Organization”, it will obviously have to focus on its western coast the shipping lanes (in a defensive manner only in hopes the conflict resolves soon through diplomacy), but broadly, it will have to stabilize the unstable countries that are under the influence, to one degree or another, by these three powers.
So a force to end the civil war in Sudan and Libya, ending the fracture of Somalia, and even displacing foreign influence in the Eritrea could go a long way in nipping festering and growing threats in the bud, while opening up economic opportunities for Vision 2030.
P.S. hopefully the Saudis have accepted neither Turkey nor Pakistan want to send troops into Yemen. At best the Saudi could help fund a build up the navies of all three nations, to allow their tankers to transit the Red Sea safely. This pact would be best at building up capabilities, industrial, military, economic, and finally diplomatic.
If Sudan and Libya are secured, it opens up economic opportunities with the rest of Africa. If Afghanistan is stabilized it opens up opportunities for all three nations vis a vis Central Asia and Russia. If Syria is rebuilt well, it helps link Saudi with Turkey and opportunities with Europe.
2nd P.S. On the military side, if funding is provided, massive tunnel cities could be build in all three nations, and just like Iran, all three nations could hold military power in unforeseen by any potential foe, increasing the deterrence factor.
Furthermore, adequate funding to allow Pakistan to accelerate its fissile material program with a series of fast breeder reactors in secure underground complexes, could allow Pakistan to provide a nuclear umbrella to all three nations, from those same underground missile bases. For an Air Force delivery method, if the PFX is deployed in adequate numbers and has an internal bay, it could carry a stealthy nuclear cruise missile. While funding towards a nuclear submarine or even a nuclear battery powered PN SSK/SSBK program could give the alliance nuclear protection from the sea. A unique deterrence only adequate funding to Pakistan could enable.
3rd P.S. to create a stabilizing force for those African nations, Pakistan should consider, alongside a modernize navy, the raising of a larger marine Corp; three division large to allow one division to be available for deployment to stabilization missions, and not so large that it gets drag into a ground war in Yemen. Like UN peacekeepers given better rules of engagement to enforce the peace, after a Saudi lead delegation works out a peace deal in a place like Sudan. Should any side break the peace, we have seen what even one division of a modern military (supported by modern air power) could do, if we look at the French Operation Barkhane.
Last edited:
Hakikat ve Hikmet
VIP Member
Hakikat ve Hikmet
VIP Member
Ravenman
Registered Member
Okay, my reaction was overhyped and emotional in the first phase.
But when i read more about the Pact, its more positive than i thougt (all do i trust Pakistan far more than SA).
Could this be the first step of the Holy Alliance where i advocated years for?
(But the Holy Alliance I advocated for included Egypt + Iran)
But when i read more about the Pact, its more positive than i thougt (all do i trust Pakistan far more than SA).
Could this be the first step of the Holy Alliance where i advocated years for?
(But the Holy Alliance I advocated for included Egypt + Iran)
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
NATO was originally formed with 12 members, and now it is up to 32. The original goals were about deterring the Soviets, but also European stability (which enabled economic interdependence and cooperation), and preventing war between the member nations as well, as best as possible, see Turkey and Greece over Cyprus in the 70s. A war but limited.
Reminds me of JFK’s Inaugural about allies:
“To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided there is little we can do--for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.”
Last edited:
GoatsMilk
Registered Member
Rome wasnt built in a day. So many Muslim reactions don't understand you have to build incrementally.
Its merely the start of a long journey.
If it fails neither Turkiye, Pakistan or Saudi will be any worse off then they were before the alliance. However if it succeeds, it will grow in size and with that size will come power and influence. That power and influence can in the long run turn the tide.
Hakikat ve Hikmet
VIP Member
Users who are viewing this thread
Pakistan Defence Latest
Country Watch Latest
Latest Posts
-
Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates (72 Viewers)- Latest: Watandar
-
-
-
-
Chinese Universities Dominate Asia’s Best and IISc Still Leads India (9 Viewers)
- Latest: ChineseTiger1986