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That this agreement poses a threat to Israel and that we will not permit it?
Do you really think so ? that Turkey poses a threat to israel?

historically the only nation that posed threat on israel among the 3 is just pakistan when they sent some of their pilots to Egypt during 1973 and before it.

Saudia (was) a threat during Faisal era until he was assassinated and now Saudia just pays yearly bribe to the U.S ( trillions) for protection of Al-Saud throne.

what Turkey has done ? absolutely nothing.
 
Perhaps with Saudi funding they can help fund projects for Turkiye and Pakistan that will enable them to produce more deadly advanced weapons systems that can help all 3 nations become major global military powers in the future?
The West/NATO has become Türkiye's largest customer of defence products.

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Due to this trend, a majority of Turkish firms have established production facilities and manufacturing plants in Western countries. This serves as strong evidence of the quality of our products, I think.

This trend can only be reversed if the Saudis demonstrate genuine ambition and encourage Turkish companies to invest in Saudi Arabia by injecting billions of USD into the Turkish Military-Industrial Complex.

I have my doubts and hope tge Saudis surprise me because historically, Riyadh doesn't commit but rather buys security from other countries.
 
Devils lie in the details. And, the details are chalked out by the folks like the Pak Chief (a former ISI and MI head), Turkish FM ( a former intelligence chief), Turkish intelligence chief (a former professor of Islamic theology) etc.....

Hence, the Bharati NSA Doval isn't the only "Devil" in the town. The stick of Hazret-i Musa (PBUH) turned into a bigger snake to gobble up the Pharaoh's delusional snakes. Similarly, these bigger intellectual "Devils" have turned the table down for that uncouth and dirty smaller terrorist Devil immersed deep into delusion of grandeur....
 
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What is the reason behind the frequent quoting of this Tweet? What do you anticipate him to express publicly? That this agreement poses a threat to Israel and that we will not permit it? Ofc, given that all three nations have formal ties to the US in various capacities, he will argue that this alliance serves the best interests of the US. He has no alternative but to publicly support this agreement.

Time will tell what the US really thinks of this pact.

The only way to effectively gauge the thinking is to see what the FDD and others from the neocom lobby think.

I haven't seen anything yet, but from the Israelis on twitter they are looking at it with hostility, so no doubt the neocon lobby will think similarly.
 
Saudi will try to bring in jordan and egypt down the line. Turkey will try to bring in azerbaijan and Syria. After that it could expand into North Africa like Algeria.

Azerbaijan is not going to join this deal. Syria maybe but even Syria is unlikely for now. Egypt is the next likeliest, it really was surprising that they weren't initially included considering meetings were happening in a quadrilateral format.
 
Do you really think so ? that Turkey poses a threat to israel?

historically the only nation that posed threat on israel among the 3 is just pakistan when they sent some of their pilots to Egypt during 1973 and before it.

Saudia (was) a threat during Faisal era until he was assassinated and now Saudia just pays yearly bribe to the U.S ( trillions) for protection of Al-Saud throne.

what Turkey has done ? absolutely nothing.

The zionist entity says Turkey poses a threat and a challenge to it and outlines it as such, so by that basis alone its a threat.

History is irrelevant. No point in discussing Nasser and whatnot, when Egyptian military officers are stationed in Tel aviv.



 
The zionist entity says Turkey poses a threat and a challenge to it and outlines it as such, so by that basis alone its a threat.

History is irrelevant. No point in discussing Nasser and whatnot, when Egyptian military officers are stationed in Tel aviv.



So let's remove history just because you say so ? let's say it's irrelevant .. alright.

Egypt hasn't fought israel 6 times , Pakistan hasn't participated with its pilots in 1973 against israel , Faisal didn't cut off oil to help Egypt in 1973 etc etc.

but somehow , mighty turkey poses a threat to israel because the zionist entity SAYS SO.

ok good argument bro.
 
Okay man, chill the f#*k out.

You've been posting like a mad man for someone that doesn't really care about this alliance.

Question is, would that of actually been your stance had Egypt been part of it...?


I'm chilled , you are the one who needs to calm.
people posting about Egypt and I reply them , I didn't speak about any other country.

and about your question , ya , i would actually reject Egypt being part of it , we are no mercenaries to al-saud.

Well, @Desert bro, with same logic you are "mercenary" to al-emirates.


Did Pakistan or Turkey took any single 'mercenary action' yet? If we were truly mercenaries then we literally had so many instances where we should have joined war against Iranians or houthis. But we are NOT mercenaries and the alliance is NOT called mercenaries. Do you call same to the NATO too?

and BTW, we even mediated instead becoming a party to the war. We wanted peace to prevail between Iran/its proxies and arabs. On other hand Egpyt deployed fighter jets at height of attacks. This is the reason you are not part of alliance. Because you have already chosen a side. Egypt don't have permission from uae to join this pact.

Block-1: KSA, Turkey, Pakistan, (Qatar maybe too in future)
Block-2: Greece, Israel, India, UAE

If you look honestly then Egypt is much more aligned to block-2.

I hope & Pray that KSA and UAE relations go back to strong relations as they were. They ditch Israel and so Egypt and UAE becomes closer to block-1. But my wishes are different than reality (so far).
 
Well, @Desert bro, with same logic you are "mercenary" to al-emirates.

Bro, i've really answered that thing about the Egyptian rafales many times.
YES SISI is a UAE puppet , no doubt about that. but the rafales aren't there anymore.
 
The level of dysfunction amongst Muslims is really sad to see guys.

Please refer to the good book.

It's literally telling us what to do.

Yet we refuse to follow.

This Sunni-Shia. Arab, Persian, Turk, Desi stuff needs to stop.

The other side sees you all as the enemy.

Full stop.

The quicker we realize this the better off the Ummah will be.

Anyways, this agreement is a good start God willing.
 
Before people get carried away with this latest "Muslim Nato".

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I didn't get it?
You really want that escalation?
You think Houthis cannot be defeated?

It'd be better if this is contained and not escalated. It is a humanitarian crisis that will only perpetuate further. Houthis have a constituency, the area holds the plurality of Yemeni population. There are similar issues impacting Pakistan, though not on this intensity... both with Afghanistan and internally. Turkiye managed both Kurds for decades inside and Syria... ideally Pakistan would have been better served with having shall we say a pliant regime in Afghanistan. The regional security architecture has not been fully established... as it is in North America or Europe... the Ukraine quagmire is a cultivated insecurity after the fall of Soviets to push the empire to the borders of Russia and beyond. Similarly, zion and India push their paths of instability to further their causes. India follows Chanakyaniti and zion playing it's own long con.

Therefore, it is prudent to solve the instabilities by reaching solutions that recognize due rights... provide safe space where due, shield some and push back against unfounded exaggeration. There is no good in perpetuating this conflict...
 
Perhaps with Saudi funding they can help fund projects for Turkiye and Pakistan that will enable them to produce more deadly advanced weapons systems that can help all 3 nations become major global military powers in the future?
The idea only works once the Arab world drops this old ego that they “lead” anything. For decades they genuinely saw themselves as above non‑Arab Muslims and almost equal to Western powers — until Iran shattered that illusion and Pan‑Arabism collapsed. That’s the part people always forget.

If they’re serious about any trilateral defence axis, they’d have to invest heavily into Turkish and Pakistani defence industries. Otherwise, why would anyone die for them? Especially when the likely scenario is the West quietly backing Iran or Israel to drag the region into another Muslim‑on‑Muslim conflict.

Let’s see how this unfolds, but the days of Arabs assuming automatic leadership are over. Any future alignment only works if they recognise that reality first.
 
As of yet there are over 1180 posts and 79 pages on this thread thus far.

However, I'm yet to see ANY post that looks at the Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabian defence pact from the following angle.

In the late 1940s, the People's Republic of China decided it needed to become a global superpower in order to survive and not be destroyed by the west or potentially even the soviet union. Many people in China and across the world scoffed at the idea and even ridiculed it. They said it was impossible. The americans and soviets were too advanced and powerful. That they would both not allow China to become a superpower and that the west, the soviets and europe will ALWAYS be ahead and that it was impossible for China to ever catch up. Since 1948, China has gone through many hardships, trials and tribulations. They have even faced some humiliations and failures along the way yet they NEVER EVER GAVE UP! So now in 2026, China stands as a world superpower and is set to become the world's FIRST EVER global HYPER POWER. The People's Republic of China has surpassed europe and russia (the former soviet union). They have virtually reached parity with the americans and are set to surpass them in science and technology in the next few years if they haven't already done so. China is now a FULLY developed nation with the most advanced, cleanest and best cities in the world; the best infrastructure on the planet; China has the best, cleanest and most advanced public transportation system on earth; the best schools, hospitals; shops etc; the 2ns best economy in the world with a very high standard of living comparable or even better than western european standards.

Here in 2026 in terms of geostrategic constraints, the Middle Eastern and Muslim nations find themselves in the same position as the Chinese were in the late 1940s. The elites and decision makers in Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia are VERY WELL aware of this reality. For over 100 years, the Muslim world has had to rely on and obey colonialist racists for science, technology and development as we have been so backward in terms of science, technology and economics. Muslim nations have become the virtual slaves of the colonialist racists and the Muslim people have been reduced to the rank of being lower than animals, worthy of mass slaughter and genocide. What has been the result of ALL of this? The result has been the subjugation and genocide of 10s of millions of Muslims by colonialist racists and facing the humiliation of not even being allowed to speak about this let alone fight back against it. If current trends continue, the colonial racists will virtually wipeout the Muslim world and destroy Islam. The genocide of AT LEAST 100,000 Palestinians is a prelude to ALL of this. The colonialist racists can NEVER be reasoned with. The colonial racists want to castrate Muslim men and make Muslim women their prostitutes.

Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia are AWARE of ALL of the above and have decided to pool their resources together in order to survive and eventually prosper. The REAL aims of the Mekkah pact is to achieve the following:

(1)For all 3 nations to eventually INDEPENDENTLY develop DEADLY, ADVANCED conventional weapons systems that are world class and will deter aggressors

(2) To sell the conventional advanced weapons systems to fellow Muslim countries and our allies in order to defend themselves against genocidal racist colonialists

(3) IF the existence of Pakistan, Turkiye or Saudi Arabia are threatened, nuclear weapons may be deployed and used.

The above points are NOT something that will bare fruit in the next 5-10 years or so. It may take DECADES to show tangible and solid results. Along the way, there may be many failures, humiliations, trials and tribulations. Many will doubt the Makkeh pact and claim it is useless and meaningless. That it should be dissolved. That is to be expected.
My question is, what is the alternative? Should the Muslim world continue to be divided and be picked off one by one, being destroyed and genocided by the colonialist racists?. Or should we try to unite and become self-sufficient in producing deadly advanced weaponary so we can defend ourselves against aggression and genocide? Do we want Pakistan, Turkiye, Saudi Arabia or ANY other Muslim nation to end up like Gaza?

Many of you will laugh at the above and I understand that. It is your right and prerogative to laugh and ridicule.

PS Some say that the racist colonialists would never attack Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia so the Makkeh pact is unnecessary. These are the SAME people who would have said before October 2023 that the israelis would never massacre over 100,000 Palestinians in Gaza. That the so called "world community" would prevent it. There is NO "world community" or help as far as Muslims are concerned. There is NO-ONE to help us Muslims except Muslims ourselves. The Makkeh pact is a stepping stone to this.
LOL.

This is the biggest problem for many countries in the world today. ------ They believe that if the Chinese can do it (develop from an extremely poor country into a world power), then we can do it too.

However, no one has seriously considered: How exactly did the Chinese do it? What price did they pay?

I often ask my Pakistani friends on this forum a question: What price are you willing to pay for your ideal Pakistan? But no one answers this question.
 
Well, @Desert bro, with same logic you are "mercenary" to al-emirates.


Did Pakistan or Turkey took any single 'mercenary action' yet? If we were truly mercenaries then we literally had so many instances where we should have joined war against Iranians or houthis. But we are NOT mercenaries and the alliance is NOT called mercenaries. Do you call same to the NATO too?

and BTW, we even mediated instead becoming a party to the war. We wanted peace to prevail between Iran/its proxies and arabs. On other hand Egpyt deployed fighter jets at height of attacks. This is the reason you are not part of alliance. Because you have already chosen a side. Egypt don't have permission from uae to join this pact.

Block-1: KSA, Turkey, Pakistan, (Qatar maybe too in future)
Block-2: Greece, Israel, India, UAE

If you look honestly then Egypt is much more aligned to block-2.

I hope & Pray that KSA and UAE relations go back to strong relations as they were. They ditch Israel and so Egypt and UAE becomes closer to block-1. But my wishes are different than reality (so far).
in the real world, international relations are a lot more nuanced and complicated and countries don't neatly fit into a single block. For example , Pakistan wants to have a good relationship with each of KSA, UAE and Iran, which are mutually adversarial to each other; Azerbaijan has brotherly ties with Turkiye and Pakistan, but is also close to Israel and so on. Ultimatey, each government will prioritise the interests of its stakeholders ( not necessarily the people) and refrain from taking steps that add to the list of countries hostle to it. Signing defence pacts in the middle of a war restrcts strategic freedom of action and doesn't make any sense for a country that is not directly involved and wishes not to get drawn in.

This pact is borne out of ( mostly) Saudi neccssity as their existing arrangements have proven insufficient to prevent them from being attacked, but why should Egypt, Syria, Azerbaijan or even Greece, Cyprus, India from " the other bloc". Even Israel does not need another backtop when it has the US in its corner and still hopes for normalization with Saudis, even though Netanyahu might pursue it to have something to show in the October election, after his disastrous performance which has made him deeply unpopular with voters.
 

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