Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Cookie Monster]

I think it could be likely Egypt, then Qatar the Kuwait and then maybe (Jordan ) join. If they do then I think it is likely they buy internally- or from Chinese a good ally of Pakistan that is around 10% of the US military exports. Europe makes up about 25% of US military exports. If this Mecca Pact were to buy elsewhere too then this will have a huge hit on US Economy and the US blackmail leverage they got over us thru FROM political and military will be diminished.
My hope is Turkey China Pakistan sell big military technology to the Pact and stop GCC money going abroad into western pockets.- if this happens then the security arrangements for western imperialism in Middle East and further a field will be looked at by them:

The faster this "mutual defense alliance" grows without a strong foundation the weaker it will become...
...ideally I hope it doesn't go the way of SEATO or CENTO or whatever other grouping in the past that led to nowhere useful.

If a country joins ..they bring their geopolitical baggage with it. Without a strong foundation(interoperability, shared/common defense equipment, joint training, etc)..and the mutual defense clause is tested right away...like an enemy or rival attacks the newly joined member...
...the 3 core members wouldn't be able to respond effectively(at the moment...bcuz they are 3 separate militaries)...
...and then what? Would it make that 4th member lose confidence?
Yes
...would it make other prospective future members not want to join?
Yes
...would it make the current 3 members think that this agreement is ineffective?
Yes

It's appealing to include other countries...bcuz it means more capital, more manpower, bigger budget, etc...
...but that should only happen later down the road on case by case basis AFTER the 3 original members have built interoperability to such an extent that they can easily deploy to each other in decent numbers(as reinforcement if need be) and operate as ONE against an attack.

 

[The SC]

The Turkish Ministry of Defense announced the start of forming integrated institutional structures to activate the "Makkah Agreement for Joint Defense" signed with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The ministry clarified in its weekly briefing that the new mechanisms will include the ministers of defense and foreign affairs, as well as the chiefs of staff of the armed forces in the three countries.

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[retaxis]

The faster this "mutual defense alliance" grows without a strong foundation the weaker it will become...
...ideally I hope it doesn't go the way of SEATO or CENTO or whatever other grouping in the past that led to nowhere useful.

If a country joins ..they bring their geopolitical baggage with it. Without a strong foundation(interoperability, shared/common defense equipment, joint training, etc)..and the mutual defense clause is tested right away...like an enemy or rival attacks the newly joined member...
...the 3 core members wouldn't be able to respond effectively(at the moment...bcuz they are 3 separate militaries)...
...and then what? Would it make that 4th member lose confidence?
Yes
...would it make other prospective future members not want to join?
Yes
...would it make the current 3 members think that this agreement is ineffective?
Yes

It's appealing to include other countries...bcuz it means more capital, more manpower, bigger budget, etc...
...but that should only happen later down the road on case by case basis AFTER the 3 original members have built interoperability to such an extent that they can easily deploy to each other in decent numbers(as reinforcement if need be) and operate as ONE against an attack.

Problem all 3 countries are all very proud countries who have good reasons to be proud. But this means that there is no one nation that can be the leader and direct the alliance in a certain direction.

NATO worked because USA directed them and gave them purpose, equipment and technology. Same with Soviet Union and warsaw pact.

The ww2 alliance between Soviet Union and America never lasted simply because there were too many alpha dogs in the room.

One country needs to step up and start acting like the big boy in the room and no one can agree on who that should be.

 

[Meengla]

The ww2 alliance between Soviet Union and America never lasted simply because there were too many alpha dogs in the room.
One country needs to step up and start acting like the big boy in the room and no one can agree on who that should be.

That 'alliance' lasted long enough to take care of the Third Reich and so served its one and only purpose. But we would be offtopic here.

I think Daniel Markey is another Israel-Firster in America. I saw the first 13 minutes of this video and he, unlike most other analysts, is framing this new alliance against Iran and/or its proxies but also he is conceding that the anti-Israel Arab stance is going to be 'stiffened' by this alliance. When asked what is the Israeli opinion of this, he is quick to say Israel not going to like it and he is saying quickly that firstly Israel can't trust Pakistan and Israel is increasingly in antagonistic relations with Turkey.

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Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif on the Mecca Alliance:

A defense agreement was reached with the brotherly Islamic country Saudi Arabia last year.

And now Türkiye has also become part of the trilateral defense agreement reached in Mecca.

This is good news of peace for the Middle East, glad tidings of peace for the Islamic world, and a message of peace for the entire world.

 

[RocketLaw]

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I had announced that the Republic of Turkey would be deployed, alongside Pakistani and Saudi forces, in various cities and regions within Saudi Arabian territory. Some things are taking shape. It appears that the Turkish Armed Forces will be stationed, together with the Pakistani and Saudi armies, in the rural areas of the city of Tabuk near the Jordanian border, as well as in the city of Abha near the capital Riyadh and the Yemeni border.

I will explain the importance of these three cities in the video I will shoot tomorrow.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Problem all 3 countries are all very proud countries who have good reasons to be proud. But this means that there is no one nation that can be the leader and direct the alliance in a certain direction.

NATO worked because USA directed them and gave them purpose, equipment and technology. Same with Soviet Union and warsaw pact.

The ww2 alliance between Soviet Union and America never lasted simply because there were too many alpha dogs in the room.

One country needs to step up and start acting like the big boy in the room and no one can agree on who that should be.

It's my personal opinion that there doesn't need to be a leader...
...and if we are to look at USSR and USA for an example in their respective alliances...
...then we see the clear problems there.

One is that MOST power stays with the leader(Russia/US). This may not sit well with other members who think they are being sidelined.
Second problem is that it also puts the most financial strain on that leader...this is one of the reasons US is trying to step back...it's spread too thin and realizing that it cannot effectively operate on all fronts(for example take on Iran while also countering Russia in Europe...and defending Taiwan or Japan at the same time against China).

The 3 nations are indeed proud with their history and have every reason to be...but they will need to set aside their pride to achieve actual goals.

I think a better approach(which will coincidentally side step any infighting over leadership) is to just set aside a portion of budget towards more joint exercises...and make every effort to increase interoperability and try to acquire the same defense equipment(if possible) ideally from each other...and if not then try to have indigenous data links that can easily integrate with that of ur other allies.
The more interoperability increases ..and the more exercises done together...the more these separate militaries can be ready to fight together as one if needed.
So for example if Turkey is attacked by Greece(it's just an example for the sake of an example...hopefully no one gets riled up) and invokes Article 5 type of clause...then troops, defense equipment, supplies get flown by Pakistan and KSA to Turkey...and they fight under Turkish command. It's as if Turkey spawned more soldiers and defense equipment out of nowhere ..it's as if it never took losses to its troops, defense equipment, and defense related production facilities.

The same can be envisioned if India attacks Pakistan...and the Article 5 type of clause is activated by Pakistan. Turkey and KSA deploy troops, equipment, supplies to Pakistan and Pakistan continues fighting India.
The same can be envisioned for KSA for example..if it is to be attacked by Iran...
...and so on...and so forth.

Of course that's on the offense side...they can continue to share intelligence during peacetime and during war time even when article 5 isn't invoked.

They can definitely start by having the same drones, artillery, munitions...
...and work on big ticket items like KAAN, or HISAR(air defense), navy ships, subs..slowly over decades.

In conclusion...at least IMO...no leader is needed...the leader would just be that country(in its theatre of war)...while the other two will just add to the manpower, defense equipment, munitions, and supplies.

 

[The SC]

• The Egyptian Foreign Minister during a conference with his Turkish counterpart: Cooperation in the defense field requires in-depth studies on the role of the Egyptian constitution, and we are involved in the quadrilateral framework with Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan, and there is complete coordination with these countries on all issues within the quadrilateral framework.

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[Hazard]

easily deploy to each other in decent numbers(as reinforcement if need be) and operate as ONE against an attack.

Easier said than done. How likely is this going to happen though? Can you see a scenario where say Saudi forces are fighting alongside Pakistan against India? Turkey yes, but Saudi? More chances of hell freezing first. Other countries the previous poster mentioned simply can't be trusted. Many are nice and cozy in bed with Zios...and China (the only reliable military provider) will be reluctant to sell their state of the art tech for fear of US getting their hands on it. They'll glady sell you Junk though under the guise of 'brotherhood'.

This 3 members' alliance somewhat works (mostly on paper) because all 3 nations are benefiting from it. The real test will come when there is knock knock on the door.

 

[Desert]

last time egypt tried to join with Turkiye under morsi, the zionist enacted their agent sisi to start a coup.

I hope if egypt is serious about joining that a joint contingent of Pakistani and Turkish troops are sent to protect the government from any potential coup attempts.

Actually saudis and gcc financed the coup and they had the bigger role in it.

 

[Desert]

We are studying the defense cooperation proposal with Türkiye, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia in its various aspects and we have full coordination with the three countries - Egyptian Foreign Minister

Badr Abdel Ati continued, in a joint press conference with his Turkish counterpart, Hakan Fidan, in the city of New Alamein:

Cooperation between Egypt and Turkey is an essential pillar of stability and cooperation in the region

For his part, Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said:

We discussed the “Mecca Agreement” with Egypt.. Egypt is currently evaluating all dimensions and we hope that Egypt will be a strategic partner for us.

The lack of progress to implement the peace plan in Gaza may push Egypt, Turkey and Qatar to take more decisive steps.

The views between Türkiye and Egypt are identical regarding the unity, territorial integrity, sovereignty, and indivisibility of Libya.

We talked about our trade relationship and we will reach the volume of trade with Egypt to 15 billion dollars

The Egyptian and Turkish peoples praised the move of the Egyptian star Mohamed Salah to Türkiye, and we consider the move of the Egyptian football star to Türkiye an “embrace” between the two peoples.

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Lol so where are the members that said that egypt leaked the alliance formation to the jews thats why we aren't invited?

And where are the ones who said that Egypt wasn't invited at all ?

It's clear we didn't join because we dont wanna target houthis or iran , they aren't Egypt's enemy.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Easier said than done. How likely is this going to happen though? Can you see a scenario where say Saudi forces are fighting alongside Pakistan against India? Turkey yes, but Saudi? More chances of hell freezing first. Other countries the previous poster mentioned simply can't be trusted. Many are nice and cozy in bed with Zios...and China (the only reliable military provider) will be reluctant to sell their state of the art tech for fear of US getting their hands on it. They'll glady sell you Junk though under the guise of 'brotherhood'.

This 3 members' alliance somewhat works (mostly on paper) because all 3 nations are benefiting from it. The real test will come when there is knock knock on the door.

IF that real test fails and they don't fight besides each other then this paper they signed would become worthless and all 3 will be weaker for it...
...standing alone in their respective theatre of war.

This will be a rude awakening for that lack of unity...bcuz the enemies are many.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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[RocketLaw]

• The Egyptian Foreign Minister during a conference with his Turkish counterpart: Cooperation in the defense field requires in-depth studies on the role of the Egyptian constitution, and we are involved in the quadrilateral framework with Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan, and there is complete coordination with these countries on all issues within the quadrilateral framework.

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Let's make a quick decision within 24 hours - don't wait too long and studying too long - you must do better Egypt!

You are either IN or OUT ?!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The usual response from the Ehl-i Shirk to the initiatives by the Ehl-i Iman: stupid, crazy, clownish, poor, ridiculous, laughable, valueless, worthless etc. It hasn't changed, even by a single syllable, since the time of Hazret-i Nuh (PBUH). This KSA-Turkey-Pak agreement is on the right side of History, which isn't without its ONE and ONLY ONE ABSOLUTELY SOVEREIGN MASTER and OWNER of the Worlds.....

According to this Melun-el Melun: whatever comes out of Mekka fails! Ahh Ehl-i Iblis Ahh....

La Galibe ILLALLAH....


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