Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds



if any Iranian still thinks Trump gives a shit about them then they need a psychological evaluation


Iran's best choice is to prolong this conflict for 2 more years, and let the next admin to beg Iran to stop the war.

And your President's unilateral decision to stop the war is showing a sign of weakness, and IRGC has the right to ask him to shut up.
 
Our retarded and crippled supreme leader thinks rhetoric is going to save Iranians from starvation and misery
 
China’s entire growth model was made possible because it became a servant of Western capitalism for decades. During that time trillions of dollars flowed from western economies to establish China’s industrial base and THEN naturally ToT flowed as well. This allowed the Chinese economy to explode.

From that economic renaissance that China underwent it allowed them to build their self sufficient economy. Its military for decades was Soviet/Russia supplied and relied on reverse engineering Soviet designs until reaching the point of self sufficiency. Iran has always struggled since the revolution to be able to buy big ticket weapon systems from Russia or China due to sanctions and threats. Forget military ToT since that has never been offered to Iran from either country. So iran’s military has struggled to modernize given these struggles and many of its leaps have happened from captured Israeli and U.S. military equipment.

Do you really think China that was in dire poverty in 1960 could get to where it is today based on just slogans and propaganda? Without Western $$$$$$? Of course not

Anyway historically Chinese investments in Iran (see oil and gas industry) have never materialized and often led to Chinese companies being kicked out of Iran for not properly starting the project due to sanctions. Some small scale projects have been completed by Chinese entrepreneurs but not anything that would be game changing.

Iran needs access to DEEP capital markets. Iran’s energy industries alone need $500B+ worth of investment to build, repair, renovate, etc. Let alone other sectors.



History says otherwise. Many large investment projects by China in Iran went no where due to threat of sanctions. Yes, flow of Chinese finished goods happens (for example Chinese cars) but in terms of the type of trade flow and capital markets and access to industrial technology that would build Iran into a regional economic power, the Chinese have been just as fruitless as the promises from Russian or European companies.

Yeah, I'm not saying that Iran should be another China, they can't anyway, because they are not big enough, even getting same investments.

What I said, it's due to China existence, it's not needed Western investment to develop industry anymore.

China will be happy of sell all the industrial machinery to Iran that they want to buy.

Iran should look what their people buy and manufacture all they can

They have a lot of work to be done in that. See videos of Iran grocery stores and will see full of Western brands, that must be stop, minimize the dependence of imports, and buy industrial machinery to China for each thing the Iranian people consum.

Besides Western industrial machinery are more expensive, overrated.

China selling industrial machinery is the cheap way to develop industry of developing countries.

20 years ago, that was unfeasible, today it's possible. And it's already being done by a lot of developing countries who in the past suffered the monopoly of Western industrial machinery.



The video is in Spanish, but you can use self translate subtitles, the experience of a industry owner from Mexico, talking about how he changed from Germany/Japanese made industrial machines to Chinese. How those Japanese and Germany companies abused with leonine clauses in contract, and how China sells similar machines 10x cheaper, without abusive clauses.

That's the way, stop buy foreign made consumer products, and manufacture locally everything they can, importing and buying Chinese industrial machinery,
 
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Iran's best choice is to prolong this conflict for 2 more years, and let the next admin to beg Iran to stop the war.

And your President's unilateral decision to stop the war is showing a sign of weakness, and IRGC has the right to ask him to shut up.
After 45+ years of hardship and struggles, Iranians are fatigued and fed up. Maybe the leadership who live in luxury can hold out for 2 more years but your average Iranian cannot.
 
This reminds me of the time they said the same thing about Qaher and it turned out to be a small RC toy plane 😄
the last 20 years are full of similar statements about developing special new weapons that will surprise the enemy

I am just surprised they still have the audacity to do this after two wars where even most of the known weapons failed to live up to expectations and no special surprising weapons were seen or used
 




Sunni Arab leaders and the delusional Jew-lani think if they hate Iran and stand against Iran that they will be accepted by the West and the Zionists. Little do they realize that the west will never partner with them, much less treat them as equals.

Look how desperate Syria is to be accepted by Israel and the West.

You're hurting your cause with comments like this. Who cares about the Jolani guy but let's look at it realistically. They just want to be left alone by Israel and don't want to make concessions. They have to play the diplomatic cards right, and yes there is a scenario where Israel still violates the status quo, but that is a last case emergency scenario where you abandon nation building and go into survival mode.

Syria just came out of a civil war. You weren't asking Assad government and Syrian army before this war concluded to fight Israel. These guys are even weaker than Assad and have no dedicated weapons supply nor even a real army yet. On paper it is not even close to a national military it's just optics and nation fandom videos they're releasing.

They realistically cannot do anything.

The reason Assad fell so easily is because of Hezbollah occupied with Israel + Russia viewed Syria as net loss and instead agreed with Jolani to have port access or base access + Iran couldn't afford to invest anymore into Assad. It was probably orchestrated behind the scenes more than we'd like to believe.
 
Iran's best choice is to prolong this conflict for 2 more years, and let the next admin to beg Iran to stop the war.

And your President's unilateral decision to stop the war is showing a sign of weakness, and IRGC has the right to ask him to shut up.
This admin can do a lot of damage to the Middle East and to America over the next 2 years. I don't know if they want leave without a bang. Make no mistake Trump admin appears as some Jewish op to destroy America for the population now rebelling against Israel. It is not a safe moment in history and hopefully China, Russia, EU and others are taking this into account and preparing for what the US + Israel might unleash on the world. And I hope they don't downplay it.
 
This admin can do a lot of damage to the Middle East and to America over the next 2 years. I don't know if they want leave without a bang. Make no mistake Trump admin appears as some Jewish op to destroy America for the population now rebelling against Israel. It is not a safe moment in history and hopefully China, Russia, EU and others are taking this into account and preparing for what the US + Israel might unleash on the world. And I hope they don't downplay it.
Russia is happy with crude oil high prices.

EU hasn't own opinion, it's just the dumb vassal of USA, willing to suicide himself economically in Ukraine war or any other American misadventure.

The main damaged foreign actor who has interest in stop Iran war craziness, it's GCC. But they have the enemy inside, all the people who enjoy American submission, they should separate patriotic elements from American cocksuckers traitors inside the state.
 
Russia is happy with crude oil high prices.
Probably true, agree.
EU hasn't own opinion, it's just the dumb vassal of USA, willing to suicide himself economically in Ukraine war or any other American misadventure.
Hmm... Don't think it's that simple. They're balancing relations because US and/or Russia could both become (or already are ) adversaries to them. They can become vulnerable if USA leaves NATO. Which direction it pushes them is unpredictable and dependent on circumstances during such a time.
The main damaged foreign actor who has interest in stop Iran war craziness, it's GCC. But they have the enemy inside, all the people who enjoy American submission, they should separate patriotic elements from American cocksuckers traitors inside the state.
If there's a pro-US wing in GCC, it doesn't mean they wanted a war. And any hawkish ones in the GCC that did want a US campaign on Iran likely didn't want it to manifest in this manner. They likely had a different idea of how the US would wage the war. And not the consequences of war (they likely know this and accepted temporary setbacks but the way Trump admin waged the war forced them to reshuffle their cards and reassess current events )
 
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Probably true, agree.

Hmm... Don't think it's that simple. They're balancing relations because US and/or Russia could both become (or already are ) adversaries to them. They can become vulnerable if USA leaves NATO. Which direction it pushes them is unpredictable and dependent on circumstances during such a time.

If there's a pro-US wing in GCC, it doesn't mean they wanted a war. And any hawkish ones in the GCC that did want a US campaign on Iran likely didn't want it to manifest in this manner. They likely had a different idea of how the US would wage the war. And not the consequences of war (they likely know this and accepted temporary setbacks but the way Trump admin waged the war forced them to reshuffle their cards and reassess current events )
Currently GCC are main damaged with Hormuz blockade.

So it's up to them, if they want to keep sinking in shit.

Have good relations with USA has benefits, but the balance finally will be negative if current situation keeps coming years.

And it's what to expect it will happen. Same way Ukraine war is impoverishing EU, Iran war and Hormuz blockade will impoverish and destroy economically slowly GCC.

If GCC wants to follow the path of economy selfdestruction, well go head :ROFLMAO:. EU dumbfucks have already done with Ukrainian war and we're enjoying highest inflation since Euro currency existed.
 

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