Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[shapurzolaktaf]

I said earlier, Russia will use Iran as leverage if it has to

The oil disruption is harming poorer nations more than anyone else so well done

Poor nations can buy oil from Iran.

 

[r3alist]

Poor nations can buy oil from Iran.

Sounds hegemonic, monopolistic.

This is not sustainable. You don't even know what war you are trying to win now, but you sure have more nations than ever distrustful and concerned.

Everyone has a national interest.

 

[Oscar]

Poor nations can buy oil from Iran.

They would rather not - because at the end it is now Iran against pretty much the rest of the world with even Russia & China backing off.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Sounds hegemonic, monopolistic.

This is not sustainable. You don't even know what war you are trying to win now, but you sure have more nations than ever distrustful and concerned.

Everyone has a national interest.

it's trade, build pipelines and start importing oil, gas.

 

[r3alist]

it's trade, build pipelines and start importing oil, gas.

"Trade":when you block trade route's and bomb pipelines

 

[mythbuster]

And this time......


Shia partisans getting played as well.... It's not religion it's ethnos

All these folks are left with is dastan gohi ... reminds me of our chef when I was a kid ...his name was majnoo an excellent story teller.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

"Trade":when you block trade route's and bomb pipelines

Trade for everyone or for no one. If regional countries decide to support US-Zio blockade against Iran and Yemen, then Iran and Yemen have the right to fight the blockade.

 

[Oscar]

Sounds hegemonic, monopolistic.

This is not sustainable. You don't even know what war you are trying to win now, but you sure have more nations than ever distrustful and concerned.

Everyone has a national interest.

Unfortunately, the issue is that the Iranians have only one playbook.
Sit at the table, feign interest, drag it out.

Threatening the neighbors and trying to block everyone else's oil is the same play with other tools.
But if you strip it down and they only have Hormuz which is their card.
The Houthis can go all out and it still isn't a second Hormuz type situation
You get reroutes, insurance spikes, and a lot of noise but eventually it doesn't hold.

More importnatly - if they mine the ENTIRE strait out somehow after their entire minisub fleet has been sent to kingdom come... the strait is how their own oil gets out and the people they're threatening have already shown they can push crude through it,

What point is a blockade that bankrupts the regime running it?

Whether or not they want the bomb is almost beside the point.
Their whole history is using negotiations to drag things.
Buying, selling, nukes, rugs it is the same habit.

 

[r3alist]

Trade for everyone or for no one

You had to feel cringe when you were typing that
Well anyway, this clears up the ambiguity on the Iranian ambitions.

 

[r3alist]

Unfortunately, the issue is that the Iranians have only one playbook.
Sit at the table, feign interest, drag it out.

Threatening the neighbors and trying to block everyone else's oil is the same play with other tools.
But if you strip it down and they only have Hormuz which is their card.
The Houthis can go all out and it still isn't a second Hormuz type situation
You get reroutes, insurance spikes, and a lot of noise but eventually it doesn't hold.

More importnatly - if they mine the ENTIRE strait out somehow after their entire minisub fleet has been sent to kingdom come... the strait is how their own oil gets out and the people they're threatening have already shown they can push crude through it,

What point is a blockade that bankrupts the regime running it?

Whether or not they want the bomb is almost beside the point.
Their whole history is using negotiations to drag things.
Buying, selling, nukes, rugs it is the same habit.

I heard that religious voices are asking to reconsider the fatwa against nukes, that's the final card perhaps

But agree completely, it's not sustainable obviously, hormuz not thaaat impactful in the west, it had been managed.
Maybe the only other card, as our Iranian friend said, is trade for everyone trade for no one

Meaning we Persians descendants of cyrus suffer, so do you,oh fellow Muslims.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

300,000 tons of diesel (2,175,000 barrels) equals roughly 13 hours of use in the United States, or just over half a day.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

I heard that religious voices are asking to reconsider the fatwa against nukes, that's the final card perhaps

But agree completely, it's not sustainable obviously, hormuz not thaaat impactful in the west, it had been managed.
Maybe the only other card, as our Iranian friend said, is trade for everyone trade for no one

Meaning we Persians descendants of cyrus suffer, so do you,oh fellow Muslims.

Neighboring countries blockaded Iran (we listen to baba trump else we'll be sanctioned, baba trump deserves noble while killing Iranians, Lebanese and Palestinians).

Countries who assisted/supported/cooperated with/abided/accepted the unilateral sanctions against Iran during the past 47 years should not complain about rising energy price.

 

[r3alist]

300,000 tons of diesel (2,175,000 barrels) equals roughly 13 hours of use in the United States, or just over half a day.

If it keep up.......



Trump eager to end the war, probably Russia too, all eyes on Iran then

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

If it keep up.......



Trump eager to end the war, probably Russia too, all eyes on Iran then

Trump copium. He secured 2-3 days diesel consumption. EU backed Ukris will destroying some more Russians refining capacities. Winter is coming by the way, energy demand will grow.

 

[r3alist]

Neighboring countries blockaded Iran (we listen to baba trump else we'll be sanctioned, baba trump deserves noble while killing Iranians, Lebanese and Palestinians).

Countries who assisted/supported/cooperated with/abided/accepted the unilateral sanctions against Iran during the past 47 years should not complain about rising energy price.

Your prior effective propoganda is being dismantled and Iran won't reclaim it for a generation, especially in the Muslim world, especially reading last few posts.

India ditched you in a jiffy so calm down on the revenge talk on betrayal, why does it apply to Muslims only. And if a Muslim nation isn't burning you call them enemies of Iran.

If you get your way you will probably happily enter into power sharing with Israel.